Tradewind 35

[Matelot Joe]

The underwater profile of the TW 35 gives a clue as to her predictability underway but it certainly takes a bit of antifouling:-

As regards comparisons with the Endurance and the Nic, I doubt if you will find many disgruntled owners.
Spent a few days rafted alongside an Endurance 37. Owner did complain that she would not tack well - had to start the engine to get her round - that may just indicate a poor rig set up. I personally don't fancy the deck saloon version on that particular boat - I don't think it works well at sea. The flush deck on both boats is great at sea however, even if it reduces room below forcing one to hang about on deck when in port......

The Nic would I think be faster but has less vloume down below for stores. I think she is fin and skeg with some odd arrangements used for the engine/drive shaft. Also will be older than some TWs which were built in UK right up to about 1999 and are still available from the Netherlands if you could stomach the price of a new one.
But really any would do nicely thank you Sir......

Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5

Just Love the reply and the photo, whats your price Robin ?
I'm looking at eight on the market at the moment, decisions, decisions !!!
People either know class when they see it or they don't.

 

[Pleiades]

Hmmm, not sure if she is open to offers, will ask her - but she will be high maintenance to be sure and you will have to look after teddy as well........
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5

 

[wotayottie]

Just seen one out of the water.

Pretty looking boat, but how does it sail & how slow are they with that big long keel?

How slow is slow? Yes they are slow compared to most 35ft cruising boats and you are likely to be looking at an average passage speed of a know or so lower.

But then all cruising boats are slow if you think about it. The sailing community is reluctant to accept progress so your average cruising 35 footer might plan a passage on 6 knots max or 30% of the speed of a racing machine. By comparison bikes or cars can do a much higher proportion of what technology will allow.

In short, splashing about in cruising yachts isnt for people who want to go fast anyway.

 

[Alioops]

Sailing a Tradewind 35

A Tradewind 35 is a brilliant sail.

Swift
in the British Virgin Islands

 

[Bosun Higgs]

J how slow are they with that big long keel?

Very. Beating into Falmouth from Helford with maybe 15 kn true, I caught one up and shot past with a speed difference of maybe 1- 2kn. He had full sail up and I was genoa only ( going in for water and diesel). In contrast, on the way back there was a new Rustler 36 and in the same situation I could only just keep up with the Rustler me with genny only him with full sail.

So if you fancy that sort of boat either buy a Rustler or get used to arriving late.

 

[KINGFISHER 9]

Best underwater shape .... very similar to mine.

 

[Matelot Joe]

LOL

Very. Beating into Falmouth from Helford with maybe 15 kn true, I caught one up and shot past with a speed difference of maybe 1- 2kn. He had full sail up and I was genoa only ( going in for water and diesel). In contrast, on the way back there was a new Rustler 36 and in the same situation I could only just keep up with the Rustler me with genny only him with full sail.

So if you fancy that sort of boat either buy a Rustler or get used to arriving late.

There is arriving and there is ARRIVING !!

Put a few more knots on your 15kn Bosun and I know what boat I would be on !
Relaxed well fed and just two up.
Horses for courses is the adage that comes to mind.

 

[Bosun Higgs]

You're kidding yourself if you think that the Rustler would be any worse than your boat in 20kn or 30kn or indeed 40kn. But then there is no arguing with someone who is in love with his boat.

 

[Matelot Joe]

30 -40 kn !! who you kidding here.

You're kidding yourself if you think that the Rustler would be any worse than your boat in 20kn or 30kn or indeed 40kn. But then there is no arguing with someone who is in love with his boat.

I take it Bosun, your remarks are for me. Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder but as for love I don't know
I am about to buy a T35, if things work out for me and I could, if I so wished, buy a Rustler ( used of course ) but its just not to my taste for many reasons, as nice as it looks, in some ways, but AT 40KN, no way.
There is another point that helps me make the choice easy, I don't like snooty sales people who think they are doing you a favour, the likes you have at boat shoes, I have a long memory and now the shoe is on the other foot !!
cheers.

 

[Scotty_Tradewind]

. But then there is no arguing with someone who is in love with his boat.

I would love to have a Rustler 36 but I'm also in love with the fact that I have an exceptionally spacious 33footer with real comfort and seagoing credentials.
Everything considered.....value for money..... no contest imho.

 

[Bosun Higgs]

Everyone to his own I guess. I didnt bring my own boat details into the speed comparison because personally I think it would be unfair on those who have chosen lesser machines like the TRadewind and the Rustler!

But if you ever do want to be able go to windward against 40 kn true, then buy a Starlight. I've done it ( and more).

 

[Scotty_Tradewind]

methinks you are a mischief!

 

[Signed Out]

But if you ever do want to be able go to windward against 40 kn true, then buy a Starlight. I've done it ( and more).

Such a shame to see Stephen Jones, who has created some fantastic looking, and very individual boats, create something that looks so bland as the Starlight 35. They've even added the line round the outside on these to make them look more like a Bav. But like you say Bo, each to their own.

 

[Chris_Robb]

>So it is not a lightweight flyer, but a solid, steady all weather performer.

Agree. We have a long keeler and they don't broach, they don't turn into wind in a gust and they don't surf i.e. you can sleep at night knowing the boat can sail herself. Also comfortable in a seaway.

And every mile down wind will be in a straight line, unlike modern boats where your course resembles a snakes trail! Modern designers have somehow lost a major design feature/benefit. 8 knots through the water used to be 8 knots done, now it's 8 knt and only 7 logged.

 

[Bosun Higgs]

And every mile down wind will be in a straight line, unlike modern boats where your course resembles a snakes trail! Modern designers have somehow lost a major design feature/benefit. 8 knots through the water used to be 8 knots done, now it's 8 knt and only 7 logged.

Such a shame to see Stephen Jones, who has created some fantastic looking, and very individual boats, create something that looks so bland as the Starlight 35. They've even added the line round the outside on these to make them look more like a Bav. But like you say Bo, each to their own.

You're both struggling! You'll have to do better than that.

 

[Twister_Ken]

And every mile down wind will be in a straight line, unlike modern boats where your course resembles a snakes trail! Modern designers have somehow lost a major design feature/benefit. 8 knots through the water used to be 8 knots done, now it's 8 knt and only 7 logged.

More like 6 nm logged on the old S&S Swan 411 I used to race. Plus a 30º oscillation either side of vertical.

 

[Chris_Robb]

You're both struggling! You'll have to do better than that.

I have you whipped m' boy - now run along under that lorry.....

 

[doug748]

Tradewind 35, Endurance 35 or Nicholson 35?

Pros/cons & which would you buy?

I would go for the Nicholson 35:

[/url][/IMG]

I guess you miss out on the odd knot over more flighty boats but there we go.

 

[Blueboatman]

I'm writing this in my resolutely teaky boat interior with the Taylors quietly heating away and the glow of lamp on woody surfaces and a genuine wots-crossed-the-Atlantic china teapot in front of me, so forgive the rather laid-back style but some of us cruised rather quickly, shorthanded and in thoroughly well stocked comfort this 'odd' summer past, as far as we wanted to go, regardless of general wind direction.
There, is that better? (Tongue in cheek Bosun in Case you hadn't....)

So after mr Jones had had a good old go at starlighting, he was invited to have a go at a number of designs for Rustler.
Ignoring the blue stripes a la Bav. Which one gives more pleasure to those who have to look at yer boat, which one is still in business?
Quite like all that easyclean interior modelling though!
Actually I think it would be great btw to reintroduce the Starlight 35 and 39 to
Market, just look at the favourable comments on here.

 

[Bosun Higgs]

Quite like all that easyclean interior modelling though!

I dont. Its good for insulation but its attracts dust ( electrostatics) and it uses a lot of space

Actually I think it would be great btw to reintroduce the Starlight 35 and 39 to
Market, just look at the favourable comments on here.

They are still available from Rustler but the last time I asked the 35 was 180k before extras and VAT and they hadnt built one for some time - the Sadler type internal build is an expensive way of doing things unless you have a much moire mechanised set up than Rustler do.

FWIW it really is a cracking sailing boat in terms of performance and handling. I have winter raced it in all sorts of weather ( our races are never cancelled for weather) and on one memorable occasion with true wind averaging over 40 and gusting 55 we were the only boat to make the windward mark wind over spring tide. A 45 GibSea had to give up. We were daft to keep going but we did and no damage. Like all boats its a compromise but its a modern hull compromised towards sailing / seaworthyness rather than caravan so acccommodation isnt at all what you would find in a Jeanneau or HR. In fact its a bit like the Rustler in space terms.