alant
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Maybe ybw, could publish it again.
Tradewind 35
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Maybe ybw, could publish it again.
alant
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E39mad
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The sixth boat was a Saltram Saga 36
Birdseye
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Very slow. Slower than a Rustler for example. Just plain old fashioned but if you like driving aroundin a morris oxford and live in an unheated 18th century terrace, why not a Tradewind?
robmcg
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alant
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Ah yes, not sure if it was coming or going.
Scotty_Tradewind
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whoooh.... I just had to duck from that one!
Speaking of old fashioned.......
My old Ambler of Arne - 1977 TW 33 has:- all the appearances of something designed from the 1950's and can go almost anywhere in most conditions in relative comfort, all be it at a relaxed pace for a not too expensive outlay.
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As for the central heating bit and that which is insinuated by the above, ...... It's quite a lot easier to stay within budget with an older star of a boat like a Tradewind, Rival, Twister, Vancouver, Nic' 35' etc etc....and to stay right up to date with all the gismos found in newer vessels.
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Ambler boasts......
10" Raymarine Radar/Plotter below,
7" Standard Horizon Plotter in the cockpit,
3kw 12-220V inverter,
Eberspacher Hydronics heating which also heats the calorifier for a shower if required in the heads, where a shower tray quickly disperses water via an electric pump to either overboard of into the holding tank, as does the loo,
active dual band radar reflector,
top of the range Standard Horizon dsc vhf with relay mike/speaker in the cockpit,
dual solar panels producing at best 7 amps,
A Rutland 914i wind generator,
a Monitor wind vane steering,
2 x Raymarine 4000 tiller pilots,
LED nav lighting,
Raymarine wind/ log/ depth instruments,
SSB radio,
Exceptionally comfortable button backed upholstery in the saloon giving bunks of 6'2",
Sprung mattresses forming a large double in the forepeak cabin with bunk length of 6'2",
a full sized toilet to enable even the largest of tackle to reside inside the seat,
a bow thruster,
a powered windlass,
2 inner forestays on hyfield levers to be able to sail sloop or cutter rig or to be able to run wing and wing with two poled genoas,
A very large bimini which still allows us to sail which can link to an all over sun cover,
a full cockpit conservatory,
mast steps right to the top,
a modern gas cooker,
a large Waeco powered fresh water cooled fridge that has a freezer compartment that draws less than 4amps at worst and around 1.4 at its best,
a saloon table that can seat 6,
a huge wardrobe that fits all the wifes clothes on hangers as well as all the wet gear if required and store all the bimini and conservatory gear,
2 enormous cockpit lockers that two people have at times worked in together in one,
a large lazarette with enough space to stow 6 x 40litre diesel cans with still space for smaller items around it,
so many smaller lockers I forget I've got half of them and have had to have an inventory book so that we can find things,
2 x induction hobs,
a microwave,
5 large batteries which can give enough power to run most things at full power even at night with no sun or wind,
2 very large water tanks.... one which takes up half the keel the other 18" deep x 5' long under the sole,
5 hatches all with sun blinds/bug screens,
Huge luxurious seat box on top of the stern deck to comfortably watch the boat sail and sip that G&T,
TV/DVD player,
Panasonic quadraphonic sound system,
navtex,
2 huge diesel tanks...... keep forgetting to check levels as they contain so much,
Enough deck for the band and to easily store 2 fold-up bikes and a large folded inflatable,
Possibly most important...a large purpose built drinks cabinet......
I must have forgotten something. yes..... that very nice nav' desk and comfy seat for'ard facing.
Not so bad cruising around in our old 'Morris Oxford' even though we rarely see over 7knots through the water! and usually its closer to 5.5 Knots in a F3. However, we still go in most conditions and get there in a fit state to enjoy the apre' sail. We sailed over 2500NM in her over a 5 month cruise in 2012 and enjoyed the home comforts!
S.
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robmcg
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whoooh.... I just had to duck from that one!
Speaking of old fashioned.......
My old Ambler of Arne - TW 33 has:- all the appearances of something designed from the 1950's and can go almost anywhere in most conditions in relative comfort, all be it at a relaxed pace for a not too expensive outlay.
......................................................................................................................................................................................................
As for the central heating bit and that which is insinuated by the above, ...... It's quite a lot easier to stay within budget with an older star of a boat like a Tradewind, Rival, Twister, Vancouver, Nic' 35' etc etc....and to stay right up to date with all the gismos found in newer vessels.
......................................................................................................................................................................................................
Ambler boasts......
10" Raymarine Radar/Plotter below,
7" Standard Horizon Plotter in the cockpit,
3kw 12-220V inverter,
Eberspacher Hydronics heating which also heats the calorifier for a shower if required in the heads, where a shower tray quickly disperses water via an electric pump to either overboard of into the holding tank, as does the loo,
active dual band radar reflector,
top of the range Standard Horizon dsc vhf with relay mike/speaker in the cockpit,
dual solar panels producing at best 7 amps,
A Rutland 914i wind generator,
a Monitor wind vane steering,
2 x Raymarine 4000 tiller pilots,
LED nav lighting,
Raymarine wind/ log/ depth instruments,
SSB radio,
Exceptionally comfortable button backed upholstery in the saloon giving bunks of 6'2",
Sprung mattresses forming a large double in the forepeak cabin with bunk length of 6'2",
a full sized toilet to enable even the largest of tackle to reside inside the seat,
a bow thruster,
a powered windlass,
2 inner forestays on hyfield levers to be able to sail sloop or cutter rig or to be able to run wing and wing with two poled genoas,
A very large bimini which still allows us to sail which can link to an all over sun cover,
a full cockpit conservatory,
mast steps right to the top,
a modern gas cooker,
a large Waeco powered fresh water cooled fridge that has a freezer compartment that draws less than 4amps at worst and around 1.4 at its best,
a saloon table that can seat 6,
a huge wardrobe that fits all the wifes clothes on hangers as well as all the wet gear if required and store all the bimini and conservatory gear,
2 enormous cockpit lockers that two people have at times worked in together in one,
a large lazarette with enough space to stow 6 x 40litre diesel cans with still space for smaller items around it,
so many smaller lockers I forget I've got half of them and have had to have an inventory book so that we can find things,
2 x induction hobs,
a microwave,
5 large batteries which can give enough power to run most things at full power even at night with no sun or wind,
2 very large water tanks.... one which takes up half the keel the other 18" deep x 5' long under the sole,
5 hatches all with sun blinds/bug screens,
Huge luxurious seat box on top of the stern deck to comfortably watch the boat sail and sip that G&T,
TV/DVD player,
Panasonic quadraphonic sound system,
navtex,
2 huge diesel tanks...... keep forgetting to check levels as they contain so much,
Enough deck for the band and to easily store 2 fold-up bikes and a large folded inflatable,
Possibly most important...a large purpose built drinks cabinet......
I must have forgotten something. yes..... that very nice nav' desk and comfy seat for'ard facing.
Not so bad cruising around in our old 'Morris Oxford' even though we rarely see over 7knots through the water! and usually its closer to 5.5 Knots in a F3. However, we still go in most conditions and get there in a fit state to enjoy the apre' sail. We sailed over 2500NM in her over a 5 month cruise in 2012 and enjoyed the home comforts!
S.
Sounds like Ambler is woefully under equipped and too uncomfortable to even consider a day sail. Best sell up for a pound and cut your losses, hop in the Morris Oxford and go look for a more suitable pastime. I hear faux Victorian living may suit - perhaps start with an unheated 18th century terrace and go from there
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Scotty_Tradewind
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Sounds like Ambler is woefully under equipped and too uncomfortable to even consider a day sail. Best sell up for a pound and cut your losses, hop in the Morris Oxford and go look for a more suitable pastime. I hear faux Victorian living may suit - perhaps start with an unheated 18th century terrace and go from there
jerrytug
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At least one's been converted to a gaff cutter, Black Velvet owned by E.Southby-Tailyour of Falklands and Jester repute, that would be one of my dream boats I wonder what happened to her, anyone know?
(Correct me if my facts are wrong, not far off though)
(Correct me if my facts are wrong, not far off though)
Scotty_Tradewind
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jerrytug
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A fine suggestion, I shall do, although I am only interested for yachtspotting/fantasising purposes just now!
robmcg
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Is this the one?
jerrytug
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Yes ! thanks!
robmcg
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roblpm
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I read these threads with interest as future plans include buying a 35ish foot cruising boat.
However many of the posts knocking the old style boats don't suggest what to get instead! What are the modern alternatives? I am not talking ben, jen etc as my reading is that they are not equivalent sea boats. I assume people mean hallberg rassy, malo etc? Which cost a fortune!
So anyone care to list more modern, sea kindly, affordable at say 10 years old??!! I suspect there aren't any??!!
Matelot Joe
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Take a look at the hull deck join on a Tradewind or the lay up on the Keel, I could go on.... The Gaffer mentioned above mapped the Falklands, the guy was awarded twice for doing it and has two Rolex watches to prove it. (Wonder if there one for sale)
Yes you could do it Ben or a Jen etc but would you ? I have seen a Hallberg Rassey on the rocks at Soller, Mallorca, I could not believe the thin lay up at the water line and the upper hull parts. It reminded me of shelling boiled eggs !
Modern boats for me are like looking at a glossy magazine depicting rooms in the minimalist style, it might look good to some but totally impractical to live in with four kids and two dogs and a cat and aunt Mabel at the weekends.
Yes, give me the vintage Merc and a solid victorian house any day, with wood that you could not buy today and solid walls, not ones made of timber and plasterboard.
jerrytug
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Take a look at the hull deck join on a Tradewind or the lay up on the Keel, I could go on.... The Gaffer mentioned above mapped the Falklands, the guy was awarded twice for doing it and has two Rolex watches to prove it. (Wonder if there one for sale)
I have seen a Hallberg Rassey on the rocks at Soller, Mallorca, I could not believe the thin lay up at the water line and the upper hull parts. It reminded me of shelling boiled eggs !
Modern boats for me are like looking at a glossy magazine depicting rooms in the minimalist style, it might look good to some but totally impractical to live in with four kids and two dogs and a cat and aunt Mabel at the weekends.
Yes, give me the vintage Merc and a solid victorian house any day, with wood that you could not buy today and solid walls, not ones made of timber and plasterboard.
Exactly my views as well, but the more often brainwashed consumers of disposable white goods diss the MABs, the cheaper they get, so let them crack on, I say
Robin
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roblpm
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Why not have a mind of your own?
Apart from that being a bit rude I take it that you are saying that I am wrong.
Im not sure I will have the chance to take multiple boats say across the North Sea to test each one out before I bought one and therefore reading reviews, forums etc seems a reasonable way to add to my knowledge??!!
I bought my current boat without ever having sailed on one and due to hearing other owners thoughts it is ideal for what I want at the moment.
Is a Sun Odyssey 37 really good in a lumpy North Sea and maybe to the Faeroes and Northern Norway ? If so then great as I would be able to afford a decent one. Unfortunately "my reading" says I would be better of with something heavier and less likely to slam upwind.
Obviously if I was going to the med with the family i would be bonkers not to get one as it would be ideal!
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