THOSE OF US WITH BOATS IN THE MED

[Deleted User YDKXO]

But as my boat is on the hard, I’m happy enough just to stand there looking at it??‍

The SWMBO wont understand the pleasure in doing that will she?

 

[Bouba]

The SWMBO wont understand the pleasure in doing that will she?

Why not? I’ve seen her stare at her dog for hours.
Actually, I have form, whenever I buy something new, I put in the lounge on the floor in front of the telly so I can look at it. Sometimes, after a week or so, she makes me move it

 

[Hooligan]

La Campania verso la normalità - Coronavirus - Regione Campania

i think if I translated this correctly one is allowed not only to visit ones boat in Italy but actually use it. Unfortunately it doesn't address how one may actually get to and then from the boat if one is in the UK. Progress though.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Actually, I have form, whenever I buy something new, I put in the lounge on the floor in front of the telly so I can look at it. Sometimes, after a week or so, she makes me move it

Even the motorbike?

 

[Hurricane]

So it’s Monday morning and I am on my boat ?
The anti foul has been done and the prop anode has been replaced.
The bad news is all my batteries are flat, I’m charging them now I just hope that this isn’t going to cost a fortune sooner rather than later. The weather is shite.
But other than that all looks good ????

I don't want to paint a dull picture but if the voltage on any battery drops below 10v (for a 12v battery), unfortunately, I think you have to consider it as ?uggered.
And I have been through loads of batteries over the years so I consider myself as an expert at ?uggering batteries.

It is for this reason that I ALWAYS turn off the DC supplies on the boat before I leave it.
You are never in control of the shore power - I've seen dockmasters unplugging boats without the owners permission and the main electric supplies in Spain aren't that reliable anyway.
So, if I DO need to leave the fridge on, and the shore power goes off, the batteries won't get discharged.
I've also got solar panels the keep the batteries in good condition but thats not the point here.

 

[Portofino]

Except thats not correct. At the very beginning the virus was brought into the country by one infected person only so its is quite valid to ask why a quarantine was not imposed on all incoming travellers as soon as the authorities were aware of that infected person. In fact the first recorded case was in late January so why wasnt a quarantine imposed immediately? Not only that but the UK authorities were fully aware of the devastating effects of the virus by that time so they must have known that it was only a matter of time before Covid reached the UK

I agree that once the infection numbers in the UK had reached the tens of thousands and transmission was mainly person to person within the UK, it was pointless imposing a quarantine on incoming travellers at that point particularly since the number of incoming travellers had fallen dramatically by then. However, I would contend that the UK should never have got to the point of having tens of thousands of infections. We are an island and we can, if we so wish, choose to control our borders far more effectively than countries with long land borders over which people can move freely. An early quarantine on all incoming travellers could and should have saved many lives in the UK

Ah you are with hindsights scrolling back to the base alleged 1 guy ( that we then knew French ski chalet ? ) .I was starting from the lockdown date or around the week before when it was rampant and cases doubling every 2 days or what ever .
You don’t know how many asymptomatic folks were wondering about ...spreading it as well .
I dont think you can ever successfully go back to first person date / time , because you cant identify them in a crowd .These folks never have symptoms but pass the virus on .
In which case I agree but by the time that guy had symptoms ( think 2 weeks later ) despite his voluntary self isolation it was out .

A guy from Smith + Nephew based in Hull was on a conference in Lisbon ( Chinese present ) returned and became symptomatic a week later around that time + many others so it was seeding all over in Jan all over the EU .
There’s a strong suggestion cases were about in Nov and Dec .....indeed body fluid samples tested recently of those who passed through our NHS in Nov / Dec with bad flu confirms it was already here .The problem is nobody knows exactly how long it’s been here before Jan .
A Professor in Bergamo in Nov had a few case conferences with his juniors in respiratory medicine over a few patients .Odd presentations and the deaths like any flu put down to co morbidity s.
The a guy was just an academic .Of course a few weeks later the Wuhan thing kicked off so by the time 2+2 was put together.....too late .
Again after the event confirmed cases .Problem is it’s difficult to call the start and pin it on one person ......it creeps up and by the time it’s OUT in the community it’s too late .

As for preventing deaths it think a better term is delaying them !
Inevitably it was / is gonna come and work its way through to Brexit island .
The problem with your idea is if that French ski resort guy had been quarantined and every body else after him , because the testing was and arguably still is unreliable , coupled with the variable incubation ......majority 14 days but a few in the 4 th quartile excess of 14 then it would have sneaked in anyhow .
Also we would have been out of step with the EU .

For travel and economic reasons we are better super synchronised with our partners as if the EU is one big area.
Theres still no therapy or credible vaccines so isolating cutting off your country like NZ has initially felt good with 10/12 deaths but now what ? Total isolation of that island l

Frustratingly antibody titres of a lot of those recovered isn’t holding either .....leaving them potentially open to re infection .So we are back to social distancing and common sense .

What tends to happen or has with previous deadly flu outbreaks is the virus thankfully mutates away from its pathogenicity and fizzles out .Of Course it may and arguably mutate into more virulent strains in the mean time , but eventually if it’s denied hosts it fizzles out. Additionally there are naturally more immune people and a some ( majority btw ) who have little or no symptoms .
So it basically runs out of hosts . Shielding vulnerable is a way of protecting them in the meantime .
The lower the R number the quicker it’s over ......so don't voluntarily go seeking it out ,

 

[vas]

Were you expecting our sympathy?

good thing I didn't take any pics on my first swim of the season (NOT with the boat though!)
brilliant weather, flat calm, alone in beach with a few friends.
OK, water was a bit chilly for me, but OK after the first 2mins...

and to be on topic, I read a hilarious report on what they expect out of ppl sailing in Greek waters which really beggars belief.
in brief:
boats "capacity" reduced to 70% for 10m upwards only for mobos, sailboats, fine (hello???)
need to have a crew list and take the temp of each person onboard each day and write it down on the list!!!
other silly small things...
I expect they'll change that soon and anyway wont be using the boat before the end of June so plenty of time for them useless lot to change it a few times

now, who's going to beat that for stupidity? not Bozo I think!

V.

 

[Bouba]

I don't want to paint a dull picture but if the voltage on any battery drops below 10v (for a 12v battery), unfortunately, I think you have to consider it as ?uggered.
And I have been through loads of batteries over the years so I consider myself as an expert at ?uggering batteries.

It is for this reason that I ALWAYS turn off the DC supplies on the boat before I leave it.
You are never in control of the shore power - I've seen dockmasters unplugging boats without the owners permission and the main electric supplies in Spain aren't that reliable anyway.
So, if I DO need to leave the fridge on, and the shore power goes off, the batteries won't get discharged.
I've also got solar panels the keep the batteries in good condition but thats not the point here.

When we got notice of the lockdown, I had a day to do all the running around so never got the chance to put the boat to bed. It came as a surprise when the port took the boat out of the water. Don’t forget, the lockdown was only meant to last two weeks!
Anyhow, I’m hoping all is well but truth is I know you are probably right!
It’s going to be my lovely spiral starting batteries that I will regret the most??‍

 

[Bouba]

good thing I didn't take any pics on my first swim of the season (NOT with the boat though!)
brilliant weather, flat calm, alone in beach with a few friends.
OK, water was a bit chilly for me, but OK after the first 2mins...

and to be on topic, I read a hilarious report on what they expect out of ppl sailing in Greek waters which really beggars belief.
in brief:
boats "capacity" reduced to 70% for 10m upwards only for mobos, sailboats, fine (hello???)
need to have a crew list and take the temp of each person onboard each day and write it down on the list!!!
other silly small things...
I expect they'll change that soon and anyway wont be using the boat before the end of June so plenty of time for them useless lot to change it a few times

now, who's going to beat that for stupidity? not Bozo I think!

V.

So if your temperature is high do have to leave the boat or stay on the boat?

 

[Portofino]

good thing I didn't take any pics on my first swim of the season (NOT with the boat though!)
brilliant weather, flat calm, alone in beach with a few friends.
OK, water was a bit chilly for me, but OK after the first 2mins...

and to be on topic, I read a hilarious report on what they expect out of ppl sailing in Greek waters which really beggars belief.
in brief:
boats "capacity" reduced to 70% for 10m upwards only for mobos, sailboats, fine (hello???)
need to have a crew list and take the temp of each person onboard each day and write it down on the list!!!
other silly small things...
I expect they'll change that soon and anyway wont be using the boat before the end of June so plenty of time for them useless lot to change it a few times

now, who's going to beat that for stupidity? not Bozo I think!

V.

Ask your local vet where he gets his rectal thermometers from

Its the most accurate way btw .So if you are gonna do it act on the result........better make sure it right .......see what I mean !

Further more be careful stirring cocktails........don’t get the instruments in a muddle

 

[vas]

So if your temperature is high do have to leave the boat or stay on the boat?

tbh, thought the whole idea was so way off the mark that I didn't bother reading the lot. It did mention something, I think report to the port authorities or something like that, but when I'm out for a week or two I don't meet nor want to meet any seaplod, that's a recipe for a 500euro fine at least (I don't think they do anything cheaper, so I simply avoid)

Ask your local vet where he gets his rectal thermometers from

Its the most accurate way btw .So if you are gonna do it act on the result........better make sure it right .......see what I mean !

Further more be careful stirring cocktails........don’t get the instruments in a muddle

nice one Porto! always opt for straight drinks so no probs there.
are you talking about Hg thermometers (the old school ones that you have to hit hard to lower the level before reuse) right?
I still have a couple I think, the el. equiv are crap and grossly inaccurate anyway

I feel that's something the port authorities will use to fine boat owners, nothing more, doubt anyone gives a damn...

V.

 

[jrudge]

Plan your trip(s) on minimising re breathing others ( outside your household unit ) exhaled air .
Also contact with potential infected surfaces .All you need is few on ship or air port or plane =Risky !

Even 50 dead / day is 18 ,000 a year .@5% death rate = that’s 360000 cases .
A lot of the survivors ( the 95 % ) have permanent lingering after effects to other organs as well as lungs .

So don’t ,t volunteer for a ferry / cruise or airport experience any time soon if there is another way like car ?
Particularly avoid being in the first cohort of punters until it’s transmission rate @ airports , planes , ships is known.

That’s my thinking at the mo until it’s eradicated or the numbers are real insignificant like 5/10 dead per week .
Or ferries / cruises ( cooped up on ship with strangers ) and planes are established as low risk .

French has reciprocal arrangements planed with UK thus far no quarantine on rtn .
Cross border travel within the EU .....in this case Fr and Sp will resume for tourist .Look at the Sp lockdown step by step plans and the Fr .......all subject to further checks and assessments on the numbers particularly the R number between states .

I have bought n95 masks for flying.
The infection rate in the Nhs is as risky very low.
I assume This is due to ppe and hygiene.
I would hope if I do the same. Mask gel. No face touching I would be ok.
We have also booked row 1 out and back and will get on last.
Hope it works !

 

[MapisM]

We have also booked row 1

Do you mean exactly where people stay standing in queue to access the toilet?

 

[John100156]

IT WILL BE ALL OVER SOON (WELL WE LIVE IN HOPE ):

 

[Bouba]

Whetever you do, don’t go posting pics of perfect weather and sea conditions

I have been giving this a lot of thought and I now realize why everybody gets so upset. It’s because every time I post a picture of the Med, Bruce posts one of the Welsh Med.
My sincere apologies

 

[Bouba]

Even the motorbike?

I’m not allowed motorbikes, I’m not you??‍?‍?

 

[jrudge]

Do you mean exactly where people stay standing in queue to access the toilet?

Life is compromise !

I assume they will have a no queue rule.

at least I am on last and off first which to me is as good as it gets !

 

[Portofino]

Life is compromise !

I assume they will have a no queue rule.

at least I am on last and off first which to me is as good as it gets !

If your mask correctly fits it doesn’t matter how close a stranger invades your space .
What does matter is watch what they touch and don’t touch anything as much as poss and wipe down or wear gloves and change them frequently.

What date have you booked ?

I did a Chunnel booking Tue 16 June .....which seems after 2 was ago still a go er .
Its inline with other states broader release of X border movement in there various stages .

Theres also mounting pressure building with the EU ( answering some ones Q re Fr to Sp ? ) about there freedom of movement rights .The hard border thing they have now for C19 control , which we all understand , comes under fire from EU lovers as the virus numbers fall
They don’t want to keep it screwed down any longer as it feeds into the far right anti EU psyche .
Sort of “ we seem to be managing with hard borders ok ish “ =Therefore perhaps it’s not all that doom and gloom if if we were leave the EU ......perhaps we ought to think more about jacking the EU membership in .Can we start a conversation?

So the pressure to equalise border movement with the EU will come from more EU solidarity / political reasons and soon as theses will be greater then the science / R number / containment reasons .

 

[Hurricane]

IT WILL BE ALL OVER SOON (WELL WE LIVE IN HOPE ):


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I have a cynical theory which I hope is correct.
The UK Government have only recently added the extra cases (care homes etc) to the overall list.
I think that they might be getting all the bad news out now.
Unlike other countries.
That way, there will be no "skeletons in the closet" when we start to get the economy back working.
And maybe convincing the UK public to still isolate etc.
That would account for those extra spikes.
Am I living in "cloud cuckoo land"?
But, one thing that I'm really certain of though is that you can't trust the press to be accurate in anything that they report.

 

[longjohnsilver]

Just heard on the news that Spain have introduced a 14 day quarantine period for foreigners entering the country whilst the state of emergency is in force.