Barbican
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Terrible!!
Seagull remorse - does it exist?
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Pleiades
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Happy New shYear pin.
Thanks Dan. Happy new shYear pin to your good self.
Seagulls of course don't have shear pins, they have drive springs which outlast dozens of shear pins. Oh and they don't need impellors changed either - so no need to burn the planet making spare shear pins and impellors. Rejoice!
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
Thanks Dan. Happy new shYear pin to your good self.
Seagulls of course don't have shear pins, they have drive springs which outlast dozens of shear pins. Oh and they don't need impellors changed either - so no need to burn the planet making spare shear pins and impellors. Rejoice!
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
Searush
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A part of me wants to say:
Happy New Shearpin!
Yup. Sorry.
Hmm, never had a sheer pin go on the seagull, but they have on my Suzi's a few times. But then, the Japanese stuff doesn't bother with a recoil spring on the drive, so dings on the bottom are transferred drectly to the drive.
trapezeartist
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I have never been unable to understand why people go all dewy eyed over such a primitive piece of non-engineering. It's the marine equivalent of a Villiers motorbike engine.
Yantlet
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Non- engineering that is still going strong today - must be just lucky I guess, not once but twice!
yellowspinnaker
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Really environmentally friendly engineering. Very few petrochemical derived components (indeen none at all in the early ones), and a design life of at least forty years.
Despite the scorn heaped on them one still has a place on my transom, with alternatives from the same manufacturer in the workshop should I feel the need.
Forty years, eh? Can Hond/Suzuki/Mariner and the rest say that?
Despite the scorn heaped on them one still has a place on my transom, with alternatives from the same manufacturer in the workshop should I feel the need.
Forty years, eh? Can Hond/Suzuki/Mariner and the rest say that?
dylanwinter
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bloody nora
as sailors we are supposed to love the environment we sail in
or maybe we don't give a tinkers cuss for it
....
try this experiment
fill a dustbin with water
run a modern four stroke in it for ten minutes
remove a bit of the water make yourself a lovely cup of tea with it
now get your pollution free seagull
run it in the barrell for a few minutes
remove a pint of water from the barrel
make a cup of tea
drink it
I bet you won't
please dispose of the other highly polluted water safely rather than pouring it down the drain
use it it to water the vegetable garden or have a bath in it - or wash the dog or thre car
bet you won't
what you say about the lengevity of the engineering is true
but......
you are making all your local fish and crabs , salt marshes, reeds etc live in the highly polluting crud that is being exuded by your lovely old seagull
recycle the seagull into something that is better for the environment
as sailors we are supposed to love the environment we sail in
or maybe we don't give a tinkers cuss for it
....
try this experiment
fill a dustbin with water
run a modern four stroke in it for ten minutes
remove a bit of the water make yourself a lovely cup of tea with it
now get your pollution free seagull
run it in the barrell for a few minutes
remove a pint of water from the barrel
make a cup of tea
drink it
I bet you won't
please dispose of the other highly polluted water safely rather than pouring it down the drain
use it it to water the vegetable garden or have a bath in it - or wash the dog or thre car
bet you won't
what you say about the lengevity of the engineering is true
but......
you are making all your local fish and crabs , salt marshes, reeds etc live in the highly polluting crud that is being exuded by your lovely old seagull
recycle the seagull into something that is better for the environment
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Yantlet
Well-Known Member
Not so sure I would do either Dylan as I am sure the additives used in all fuels would make the tea rather toxic from both! On the other hand you would probably find that John Williams from SOS would have no such qualms.
dylanwinter
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here is a challenge
I will film a honda four stroke test in a bin,
scoop out some water
boil it on the trangia
make a half pint of tea and drink it
all on film
provided a Seagull owner is prepared to do the same
2hp
start and run from cold for ten minutes
put up or shut up
Dylan
I will film a honda four stroke test in a bin,
scoop out some water
boil it on the trangia
make a half pint of tea and drink it
all on film
provided a Seagull owner is prepared to do the same
2hp
start and run from cold for ten minutes
put up or shut up
Dylan
Yantlet
Well-Known Member
Fantastic the duel is alive and kicking, come on you Seagull guys. Hey Dylan you could probably sell ticket for an event like this? I can see it now, roll up, roll up for the greatest show on earth!
Pleiades
Well-Known Member
And one for you Sir...
When next you are driving to pick up your new Japanese outboard from the dealer, or just dropping it off to have it serviced would you please apply your lips to the car exhaust pipe to suck up all the harmful emissions emitted as you complete your journey. If however you walk or cycle to the dealer or importer then well done Sir but perhaps you could apply same lips to the funnel of the ship that imported it as that must cost the planet something, or perhaps to the chimney of the factory that made the new engine - all can be filmed of course
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
When next you are driving to pick up your new Japanese outboard from the dealer, or just dropping it off to have it serviced would you please apply your lips to the car exhaust pipe to suck up all the harmful emissions emitted as you complete your journey. If however you walk or cycle to the dealer or importer then well done Sir but perhaps you could apply same lips to the funnel of the ship that imported it as that must cost the planet something, or perhaps to the chimney of the factory that made the new engine - all can be filmed of course
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
dylanwinter
Well-Known Member
point pollution
not up for the challenge then....
the car exhaust is a good point
and I am as guilty as the next man
but.....
that is diverse pollution that enters the air and is swept away in the breeze to be added to the general pullution we all cause
the seagull pours most of its exudations straight into some of the most environmentally sensitive bits of environment in this jewel of an island
the bits where the sea meets the land
the places where those wonderful seals live, where the flocks of birds refule for their journeys north
to to pour a third of every gallon of petrol you use and all that oil is an absolute outrage
in my opinion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myZz6yfegZ0
However, if it is of no consequence to the average seagull owner....
then so be it
but they are attempting to defend the indefensible
in my opinion
it is the difference between the bloke who goes out into the cockpit to smoke and the man who insists upon lighting up his old St Bruno in his house or in his his cabin and subjects his fellow planet dwellers to a good puff of pollution
so.... which seagull defgender is prepared to step up to the plate and make the film about drinking tea from a seagull test bin
Dylan
PS I do all my own servicing
When next you are driving to pick up your new Japanese outboard from the dealer, or just dropping it off to have it serviced would you please apply your lips to the car exhaust pipe to suck up all the harmful emissions emitted as you complete your journey. If however you walk or cycle to the dealer or importer then well done Sir but perhaps you could apply same lips to the funnel of the ship that imported it as that must cost the planet something, or perhaps to the chimney of the factory that made the new engine - all can be filmed of course
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
not up for the challenge then....
the car exhaust is a good point
and I am as guilty as the next man
but.....
that is diverse pollution that enters the air and is swept away in the breeze to be added to the general pullution we all cause
the seagull pours most of its exudations straight into some of the most environmentally sensitive bits of environment in this jewel of an island
the bits where the sea meets the land
the places where those wonderful seals live, where the flocks of birds refule for their journeys north
to to pour a third of every gallon of petrol you use and all that oil is an absolute outrage
in my opinion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myZz6yfegZ0
However, if it is of no consequence to the average seagull owner....
then so be it
but they are attempting to defend the indefensible
in my opinion
it is the difference between the bloke who goes out into the cockpit to smoke and the man who insists upon lighting up his old St Bruno in his house or in his his cabin and subjects his fellow planet dwellers to a good puff of pollution
so.... which seagull defgender is prepared to step up to the plate and make the film about drinking tea from a seagull test bin
Dylan
PS I do all my own servicing
Pleiades
Well-Known Member
In the bin?
Would it help understanding of the possible merits of British Seagull engineering if I filmed my Seagull being submerged in several feet of sea water then started again and running none the worse for the experience within 5 minutes?
Perhaps the challenge could be amended to submerge the 4 stroke Jap in the bin for 5 minutes then try to get it started ....get the kettle on
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
Would it help understanding of the possible merits of British Seagull engineering if I filmed my Seagull being submerged in several feet of sea water then started again and running none the worse for the experience within 5 minutes?
Perhaps the challenge could be amended to submerge the 4 stroke Jap in the bin for 5 minutes then try to get it started ....get the kettle on
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
dylanwinter
Well-Known Member
not the point
the survivability of two strokes and their longevity is well proven and impossible to gainsay
I have owned seagulls and drowned them and started them again
I have also drowned a Honda and the dead carcase is still in my garage
the con rod went through the cylinder wall
curtains for the Honda
a lesson well learned
do not dunk your engine while running
however, it is the point pollution that is the problem
point pollution, point pullution, point pollution
the seagull is pissing a toxic and carcinogenic blend of pollutants into the waters around our coast
and if seagull owners don't give a flying fig....
shame on them is what I say
Dylan
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Would it help understanding of the possible merits of British Seagull engineering if I filmed my Seagull being submerged in several feet of sea water then started again and running none the worse for the experience within 5 minutes?
Perhaps the challenge could be amended to submerge the 4 stroke Jap in the bin for 5 minutes then try to get it started ....get the kettle on
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
the survivability of two strokes and their longevity is well proven and impossible to gainsay
I have owned seagulls and drowned them and started them again
I have also drowned a Honda and the dead carcase is still in my garage
the con rod went through the cylinder wall
curtains for the Honda
a lesson well learned
do not dunk your engine while running
however, it is the point pollution that is the problem
point pollution, point pullution, point pollution
the seagull is pissing a toxic and carcinogenic blend of pollutants into the waters around our coast
and if seagull owners don't give a flying fig....
shame on them is what I say
Dylan
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Yantlet
Well-Known Member
Totally agree with you Dylan if still running using the old mega mix but to quote JW from SOS the resposible Seagull user does the following - "uses Bio degradable 2T oil, that leaves no lasting residue, turning to compost in 3 weeks! "
davidej
Well-Known Member
Where does this figure come from???
jellylegs
Well-Known Member
The world wont last for ever. I think a few old Seagulls arent going to have much affect. all those big range rovers commuting to sail their yachts, now there's a problem.
I think if people drive to their boats then they shouldnt be allowed to use an engine, they have to use wind or oars. if they are prepared to cycle to their boats then they can use an outboard. That ought to help save the planet, until the inevitable BOOM happens.
I think if people drive to their boats then they shouldnt be allowed to use an engine, they have to use wind or oars. if they are prepared to cycle to their boats then they can use an outboard. That ought to help save the planet, until the inevitable BOOM happens.
Searush
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yes, my Seagull certainly doesn't deposit a third of its fuel in the sea. I'll admit there could be a few % comes out into the atmosphere in the blue cloud tho!
The fuel output doesn't seem to bother seals, I have had them follow close behind the rubber duck to the point where I cut the engine & started rowing for fear of the nosey sod getting a line of prop cuts across the top of his head.
A few millilitrs of oil in a million gallons of sea water are not significant & even where millions of gallons of crude have been dumped in disasters like the Torrey Canyon, the Braer (sp?) etc etc, where many, many creatures die & the sea is laid waste, a few years later you would struggle to see the difference from before the disaster.
Where I use mine, and I only use an engine on the dink very rarely (I prefer to row) then the big tides soon disperse any possible pollution. I think it is 3 years since I last used either of my o/bs in preference to rowing. I must clean 'em out & see if they stil work!
The soot that came out of my old MD2B before I replaced it is probably much worse & there are still thousands of them around, doing hundreds of miles a year.
I suspect your O/B on KatyL has caused more pollution than my new Yanmar I/B & an unused seagull.
trapezeartist
Well-Known Member
Would it help understanding of the possible merits of British Seagull engineering if I filmed my Seagull being submerged in several feet of sea water then started again and running none the worse for the experience within 5 minutes?
Perhaps the challenge could be amended to submerge the 4 stroke Jap in the bin for 5 minutes then try to get it started ....get the kettle on
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
But outboard engines are not supposed to be submerged in water. They are supposed to propel a dink along the surface of the water. Now if you're so convinced about the undying merits of your Seagull, take up Dylan's challenge.
