Scotland

[Deleted member 36384]

…. Will I need, special insurance, a different courtesy flag, special regulations on red diesel, which anchor I have to carry? Will there be a different certificate of competence required, hygiene regulations, specific ports of entry and exit, special or different VAT treatment......?

Insurance probably not if your current insurance allows you to sail abroad. I would add inclement weather cancelation insurance with medical evacuation as the shock can be too much for some souls.
Yes, you will need a Scottish courtesy flag, however, skid marked undergarments draped over a cross tree are acceptable.
Hygiene, not if you enter at Glasgow or Aberdeen, but yes if you enter at Edinburgh. Ball scratching (BS) is an acceptable alternative at Dundee but you also have to scratch your arse (AS) at Oban; sniffing your fingers after BS and AS will be required in Stornaway and Ullapool; smegma display is also required in Inverness.
You will have to pay an Alex Land entry fee.
VAT is collected at entry ports unless you have bushels of Bamboo for the Pandas. Alternative Whisky contributions are acceptable payment options to VAT officers.

 

[AntarcticPilot]

So far not too much light, but a lot more self control than some questions have achieved.

So, UK belongs to Europe - Scotland leaves UK, UK is smaller, numerically etc. The question was only partly tongue in cheek, but it is a bit interesting when you consider the implications for a relatively simple activity like sailing a little boat about the place.

Then Scotland is outside the EU and has to make its peace with them in the best way it can.

UK2, the new entity, is smaller in economic and population terms, therefore gets less MEPs and less jobs for the boys.

None of which will make a bit of difference to the regulations that might be imposed if I take my boat that far north.

Will I need, special insurance, a different courtesy flag, special regulations on red diesel, which anchor I have to carry? Will there be a different certificate of competence required, hygiene regulations, specific ports of entry and exit, special or different VAT treatment......?

The difference to RoUK in terms of population and GDP is not all that much - Scotland is 8.4% by population and about 8% by GVA.

 

[wully1]

This suggestion is not even making the news here in Ireland so its clearly not seen as a worthy point of discussion. Smells a bit like a desperate attempt to influence/bully people who may want to vote for uncoupling but might be worried about imagined consequences. If in doubt, muddy the clear waters!

Thats the thinking of a lot of people here - they can easily see through all the Westminster propaganda that is getting more and more strident as time goes on.

Anyway, as far as sailing here or keeping your boat here, please do. The politicians would have to be even more stupid than usual to hinder an industry that brings more money to Scotland than football and golf.

 

[cliff]

Nope.
The UK will still exist as England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Nope.
Great Britain - England, Wales and Scotland
United Kingdom - aka UK - United Kingdom of Great Britain (England, Wales and Scotland) and Northern Ireland
Scotland is leaving Great Britain and hence the UK will no longer exist.

 

[mrangry]

You are quite wrong there. Scotland isnt a member of the EU. Neither is England or Wales. The member is the UK. And Scotland isnt a country either, any more than England or Wales - the country is the UK and out nationality is British. After a yes vote in the referendum and after the subsequent Westminster laws are passed, the situation will be different. Who knows what the various members of the EU might say. I woulk hope they accept Scotland but there is no guarantee when you lokk at what the likes of Greece and Spain have done in other accession cases. Lets hope common sense prevails.

Whilst I agree with most of what you wrote I was under the impression that Scotland is indeed a country, as is England, Wales and NI.

 

[Stork_III]

Nope.
Great Britain - England, Wales and Scotland
United Kingdom - aka UK - United Kingdom of Great Britain (England, Wales and Scotland) and Northern Ireland
Scotland is leaving Great Britain and hence the UK will no longer exist.

Won't it still be a united kingdom, only the union of parliaments being dissolved? It won't happen anyway,I don't believe even the Scots are daft enough for that.

 

[Euphonyx]

Won't it still be a united kingdom, only the union of parliaments being dissolved? It won't happen anyway,I don't believe even the Scots are daft enough for that.

My understanding of your Countries' make up is that Wales and England are one jurisdictional entity (Wales was annexed in the 16th century). This new entity was the Commonwealth of England. Scotland joined by Acts of Union passed mutually by the Commonwealth Parliament and the Scottish Parliament in 1707. Ireland joined in a similar fashion by act of Union in 1800. Part of Ireland left in 1922 and gradually got independence becoming a Republic mid 20t Century. NI remains under the 1800 act in essence but its much complicated by the various agreements from the 1980's on.

so... my understanding of who is a Country and who is not in the Uk:

Scotland is a Country
England is not a Country
Wales is not a Country
NI is not a Country
England and Wales are a Country

(England and Wales (after annexation) are one jurisdictional entity who joined Scotland to form the UK)

Sooo... really and truly, of the entities known as England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland... Scotland is actually the only real Country in the UK

true or false??

 

[Gwylan]

I was just trying to imagine the Ruritanian situation that might prevail if one part of the land mass was part of the EU but not part of the currency union and the other part was not part of anything.

Bit like the Channel Islands, but not so rich or long established.

As for what the English did to Wales, we'll save that for another day.

 

[maxi77]

Won't it still be a united kingdom, only the union of parliaments being dissolved? It won't happen anyway,I don't believe even the Scots are daft enough for that.

According to current published plans Scotland will retain the Queen as head of state so it will be a reversion to the post 1606 but pre 1707 status of a common monarchy but separate parliaments. Fun for constitutional lawyers

 

[awol]

According to current published plans Scotland will retain the Queen as head of state so it will be a reversion to the post 1606 but pre 1707 status of a common monarchy but separate parliaments. Fun for constitutional lawyers

My synapses have 1603 as the relevant date being the year of the death of the illegitimate queen of England, but as I can't remember yesterday too well, I may be wrong. Constitutional lawyers have always had an easy fee earner with the English believing in the sovereignty of the Westminster Parliament and the Scots claiming the sovereignty of the people as enshrined by the Declaration of Arbroath.
As for the OP, isn't it incumbent upon us to raise as many spurious threats to common sense as the English establishment are now promulgating? I am certain Wee Eck's plans include confiscation of all English owned assets, including yachts, as reparation for the centuries of thralldom. Letters of Marque are already in preparation and can be applied for along with a warrant for a Scottish blue ensign.

 

[awol]

One benefit for the intrepid English sailor after independence and the in/out of the EC. If either Scotland or rUK ain't in Europe then we get duty-free stores again!

 

[Dave-Shafa]

 

[JumbleDuck]

In the apparently unlikely event that Scotland decides to go it alone I am quite sure that (a) we will be continuously in the EU, one way or another (b) sailing here from England, like all other travel, will be no more encumbered with bureaucracy than going to (the Republic of) Ireland.

 

[maxi77]

My synapses have 1603 as the relevant date being the year of the death of the illegitimate queen of England, but as I can't remember yesterday too well, I may be wrong. Constitutional lawyers have always had an easy fee earner with the English believing in the sovereignty of the Westminster Parliament and the Scots claiming the sovereignty of the people as enshrined by the Declaration of Arbroath.
As for the OP, isn't it incumbent upon us to raise as many spurious threats to common sense as the English establishment are now promulgating? I am certain Wee Eck's plans include confiscation of all English owned assets, including yachts, as reparation for the centuries of thralldom. Letters of Marque are already in preparation and can be applied for along with a warrant for a Scottish blue ensign.

Oops 03 it was.

 

[trapezeartist]

According to current published plans Scotland will retain the Queen as head of state so it will be a reversion to the post 1606 but pre 1707 status of a common monarchy but separate parliaments. Fun for constitutional lawyers

That's Salmond's plan, but has he asked the Queen?

 

[trapezeartist]

The Scottish Nationalist's have successfully promulgated the term "independence" for their plans, but Scotland is not a colony so that's not the right word. Scotland is currently a part of a political union, and what they are planning is "secession".

Terminology apart, I do hope they go. Indeed, I believe the rest of the United Kingdom should also be allowed to vote, and then we could be fairly sure of getting rid of them.

It will be interesting to see how they get on, with no currency, no EU membership, no international or trade alliances, no army, no navy, no airforce, no coastguard, no ...., no ....., etc.

Meanwhile we will be free of Scottish politicians in Westminster, Scottish presenters on BBC, Scottish wingeing, Scottish accents ......

 

[NorthRising]

The Scottish Nationalist's have successfully promulgated the term "independence" for their plans, but Scotland is not a colony so that's not the right word. Scotland is currently a part of a political union, and what they are planning is "secession".

Terminology apart, I do hope they go. Indeed, I believe the rest of the United Kingdom should also be allowed to vote, and then we could be fairly sure of getting rid of them.

It will be interesting to see how they get on, with no currency, no EU membership, no international or trade alliances, no army, no navy, no airforce, no coastguard, no ...., no ....., etc.

Meanwhile we will be free of Scottish politicians in Westminster, Scottish presenters on BBC, Scottish wingeing, Scottish accents ......

Racist

 

[ianj99]

The Scottish Nationalist's have successfully promulgated the term "independence" for their plans, but Scotland is not a colony so that's not the right word. Scotland is currently a part of a political union, and what they are planning is "secession".

Terminology apart, I do hope they go. Indeed, I believe the rest of the United Kingdom should also be allowed to vote, and then we could be fairly sure of getting rid of them.

It will be interesting to see how they get on, with no currency, no EU membership, no international or trade alliances, no army, no navy, no airforce, no coastguard, no ...., no ....., etc.

Meanwhile we will be free of Scottish politicians in Westminster, Scottish presenters on BBC, Scottish wingeing, Scottish accents ......

Add: no landline or mobile phone network, no BBC or other broadcasting, maybe no power or gas either.

But of course the SNP can reassure you that none of these issues will be a problem.

 

[NorthRising]

Add: no landline or mobile phone network, no BBC or other broadcasting, maybe no power or gas either.

The positive Better Together campaign would have us believe there will nae even be chips after independence.

 

[awol]

Scots invented the telephone, the television, John Reith was Scottish, gas gets pumped ashore here, we export electricity 'cos we have an excess. What makes you think we would have a problem?
Thank you for your concern.