DangerousPirate
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Very surprised, honestly. But I think I'll get a DS anyway, just in case I want to upgrade later for offshore or something. When I get the DS I will get the ICC as well, right?Or is that extra?
Sailing abroad - Documents?
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westernman
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Yes, with a day skipper you can get the ICC. Free if you are member of the RYA - otherwise costs the same as the membership fee.
I have an ICC. I sail Costa Brava and France med coast. I have never shown my ICC to anyone.
Dellquay13
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The ICC is free to DS holding members of the RYA, non members have to pay a fee. It doesn't automatically accompany the DS, you have to apply for it separately.
There are a few routes to qualifying for the ICC, a standalone practical and theory test, or sending a copy of your DS certificate are a couple of options.
syvictoria
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Hasn't been mentioned to date I don't think, but if there's the possibility that you might go inland (French canals, etc.) at some point, it may be worth doing the CEVNI test too (online multiple choice exam, £19 and upward) in advance of applying for your ICC. This can then be put on the ICC as an additional endorsement. We recently did ours via Chieftain Training.
Tranona
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Should not be a surprise as explained earlier. The usefulness of an ICC depends on where and how you sail. Most useful if you charter boats as many countries/operators make it a requirement, but in recent times more and more countries are asking for "skippers licence" from visitors. Remember the UK is one of the very few countries where it is legal to own and skipper a leisure boat without any qualifications. Just about every other European state requires a licence, so not unreasonable some require evidence of qualifications from visitors.
billskip
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As many have said, chances are that you will never need to show any paperwork....that said ...if you are asked for documents and they are not correct you will be wishing you had been wiser.
I was in port and on returning to the boat from shopping or whatever, the port police had visited my boat and requested I attend the office immediately on my return.
It seems that another skipper had a problem with another boat and someone had indicated it was me, (it wasn't)
When I got to the office I was asked for every document which was necessary and they also inspected life raft ,radio, and fire extinguishers certs.
If I had adopted the " well nobody ever wants to see em" It would have been very expensive.
When it was discovered that it was not me or my boat the authorities could not be more apologetic and friendly....
AntarcticPilot
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I did the ICC on my own boat; spent a day with an instructor on board, who assessed my competence in various areas. He reckoned that ICC and Day Skipper were pretty much equivalent in terms of the skill-set required. It was an interesting experience; the instructor and I had a good discussion about navigational techniques; I think we both learned something! Actually, the hardest bit was (willy-nilly!) demonstrating close-in boat handling under engine, which happened in the marina as an incident of the voyage; Capricious refused to turn in the direction I wanted her to, and getting out of that situation certainly demonstrated my ability to turn her in her own length.
Roberto
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Another case could be if the port authorities want to check the seaworthiness of the boat after an accident.
This boat came into the Azores after the violent storm of the 2017 Ostar, Keith the skipper sailed her for 900nm under trysail and storm jib to Horta, once in port the Marinha issued a warrant not to leave port until she had been "seaworthy" again, I suppose the list of equipment/items they check in that case does not care at all about the registration flag requirements.
OSTAR - Barca superstite a Horta
vyv_cox
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Along similar lines, I recall a forumite who ran aground in Greece and required assistance to pull him into deep water. Again, he needed to show every conceivable document.
billskip
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This is the problem, it's when things go tits up,and possibly not even your fault, the port officials can get very stringent.
In the Agean it was always easy going, then for some reason they made it clear that you are required to voluntary attend the port office, nobody bothered before unless requested.
They came down very heavy for a while and insisted on full documents and payment.
It soon settled back to the old routine when they were being disturbed during siesta.
Things ain't what they use to be.
Tradewinds
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I agree.
DangerousPirate
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Terrible bureaucracy.
But okay, I will get a VHF license, insurance papers, ownership papers, DS and ICC(biggest problem as it's expensive), and will bring the safety equipment up to date.
Thanks.
But okay, I will get a VHF license, insurance papers, ownership papers, DS and ICC(biggest problem as it's expensive), and will bring the safety equipment up to date.
Thanks.
Tranona
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If you think this is terrible just thank your lucky stars you do not live in European states. We have the lightest legislation (ie essentially none) related to owning and operating a leisure boat in the UK. The things you are talking about are almost all related to boating outside the UK and none of them is over demanding for a well organised person or are things you should do anyway (insurance, radio, evidence of competence. If you think obtaining an ICC is expensive suggest you look at the compulsory licencing and restrictions our European friends have to live with!
roaringgirl
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If you think the ICC is expensive, you're going to get a shock when you start cruising (and buying replacement parts) full time!
Graham376
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Plus the cost of marinas in high season.
roaringgirl
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No marinas between Panama and Tahiti!
DangerousPirate
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I always like how people are jumping to discourage someone!
But I am aware of those costs, it's just I don't like to spend 800 pounds for something out of purely bureaucratic necessity.
roaringgirl
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I don't recall being asked for my ICC anywhere. Maybe the Panam Canal?
Tradewinds
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Didn't ask me
(25+ years ago!) Only wanted the $$$Daydream believer
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I did mine one afternoon. Did a written test that took about 45 mins max. Got 100% inc the CEVNI. He asked some general questions. Chatted really. Then we went for a sail in a sigma 33. New to me, as my boat was a 26 ft Stella. As we were rigging, I pointed out to the examiner that he was rigging the sheets wrong & got an odd look. We motored out of the creek, hoisted sails. Sailed about for about 20 mins including doing some manouvers & the examiner said " This is a waste of time. You know what you are doing. Let's go back". As we sailed into the creek I told him we would run aground- he said it would be Ok-- & we ran aground --& had to push through the soft mud.
We berthed on a hammerhead & he left me to tie up whilst he skipped to the loo. The lines were incorrectly set- short for springs, long for the ends, so I swopped them & that was it. When he returned he gave me a pass.
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