Sailing abroad - Documents?

emmalina said:
I did an ICC direct assesment in Ireland renewed it once now after 11 years they won't renew it anymore I feel its a scam as it costs 100+ euros a time Shouldn't it just be fore life !
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I thought I read on the RYA site that they are concerned about forgeries and will only renew an ICC if the previous one expired after 1998...is there a new rule?
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DangerousPirate said:
I always like how people are jumping to discourage someone!

But I am aware of those costs, it's just I don't like to spend 800 pounds for something out of purely bureaucratic necessity.
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Why is it costing £800? If you are competent already it is a one day assessment and the certificate is free if you are an RYA member. If you need instruction and experience to get you up to the standard required, not unreasonable that you should pay for it as you are the one who is going to benefit. The requirements are very basic. Like Daydream believer I got mine through the assessment route on my own boat after a pleasant morning sail with my crew and the examiner to demonstrate my competence and a test of my knowledge of the basic requirements.
 
Tranona said:
Why is it costing £800? If you are competent already it is a one day assessment and the certificate is free if you are an RYA member. If you need instruction and experience to get you up to the standard required, not unreasonable that you should pay for it as you are the one who is going to benefit. The requirements are very basic. Like Daydream believer I got mine through the assessment route on my own boat after a pleasant morning sail with my crew and the examiner to demonstrate my competence and a test of my knowledge of the basic requirements.
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+1. I paid £295 for a day's instruction (which was worth it) and then RYA membership. £800 is completely OTT.
 
Years ago just before a french holiday I got an ICC from either the local chandlers or the sailmaker ? When I asked to hire a dinghy on a lake I was told that yes I could provided I took 3 or 4 children as crew who needed to go before the session ended .Happily the Caravelle didn't capsize .They never asked to see the card.
 
Daydream believer said:
I did mine one afternoon. Did a written test that took about 45 mins max. Got 100% inc the CEVNI. He asked some general questions. Chatted really. Then we went for a sail in a sigma 33. New to me, as my boat was a 26 ft Stella. As we were rigging, I pointed out to the examiner that he was rigging the sheets wrong & got an odd look. We motored out of the creek, hoisted sails. Sailed about for about 20 mins including doing some manouvers & the examiner said " This is a waste of time. You know what you are doing. Let's go back". As we sailed into the creek I told him we would run aground- he said it would be Ok-- & we ran aground --& had to push through the soft mud.
We berthed on a hammerhead & he left me to tie up whilst he skipped to the loo. The lines were incorrectly set- short for springs, long for the ends, so I swopped them & that was it. When he returned he gave me a pass.
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Wow, some people shouldn't teach, I guess. Haha
 
AntarcticPilot said:
+1. I paid £295 for a day's instruction (which was worth it) and then RYA membership. £800 is completely OTT.
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Is it? The 800 pounds are for the dayskipper certification which includes like a weekend sailing and lessons and everything plus the tests. That's what they advertise. So I'd be glad if it's possible to do for cheaper.
 
DangerousPirate said:
Is it? The 800 pounds are for the dayskipper certification which includes like a weekend sailing and lessons and everything plus the tests. That's what they advertise. So I'd be glad if it's possible to do for cheaper.
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You're comparing apples and pears. £800 is for a Dayskipper course. ~£295 is for an ICC examination on your own boat. If you're competent and have a boat available, you might as well go directly for the ICC, as you don't actually 'need' the Dayskipper.

Either way, the cost of the ICC cert. (or RYA membership and free cert.) is still required on top.

As an aside, we've recently joined the RYA in order to get an ICC cert. From the short experience so far, I can see little reason to renew next year. What an underwhelming experience it's been so far!
 
syvictoria said:
You're comparing apples and pears. £800 is for a Dayskipper course. ~£295 is for an ICC examination on your own boat. If you're competent and have a boat available, you might as well go directly for the ICC, as you don't actually 'need' the Dayskipper.

Either way, the cost of the ICC cert. (or RYA membership and free cert.) is still required on top.

As an aside, we've recently joined the RYA in order to get an ICC cert. From the short experience so far, I can see little reason to renew next year. What an underwhelming experience it's been so far!
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Further, IF you already have the knowledge and skills, the ICC is pretty much equivalent to Day Skipper. However, expect the instructor to go through a two page checklist of requirements with you, as well as a lot of casual questioning, to ensure that you really do have the knowledge and skills. I scraped by on marks and lights (I grew up pre IALA!)! But navigation holds no fears for me, and I've been sailing since I was a toddler, so otherwise I had no problems.
 
syvictoria said:
You're comparing apples and pears. £800 is for a Dayskipper course. ~£295 is for an ICC examination on your own boat. If you're competent and have a boat available, you might as well go directly for the ICC, as you don't actually 'need' the Dayskipper.

Either way, the cost of the ICC cert. (or RYA membership and free cert.) is still required on top.

As an aside, we've recently joined the RYA in order to get an ICC cert. From the short experience so far, I can see little reason to renew next year. What an underwhelming experience it's been so far!
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But is it necessary to renew next year ? I joined to get my ICC many yrs ago, but I didn't renew each year, I just "re joined" when my ICC required renewal every 5 years...if you want to renew you have to pay a fee or pay to join , paying to join is cheaper, the RYA will tell you this.
 
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billskip said:
But is it necessary to renew next year ? I joined to get my ICC many yrs ago, but I didn't renew each year, I just "re joined" when my ICC required renewal every 5 years...if you want to renew you have to pay a fee or pay to join , paying to join is cheaper, the RYA will tell you this.
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Indeed. I suspect we will only join every fifth year too. I was disappointed though that the initial new member pack contained nothing exciting. I had anticipated discount vouchers and special offers and the like! Not just an RYA book list and a couple of window stickers! (Oh, and a big cardboard wallet! Poor trees - the membership pack could so easily have been distributed via email...)
 
DangerousPirate said:
Is it? The 800 pounds are for the dayskipper certification which includes like a weekend sailing and lessons and everything plus the tests. That's what they advertise. So I'd be glad if it's possible to do for cheaper.
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See post#63. If you are competent already to Day Skipper level then either just the examination or more commonly as post#64 have a day's refresher and test. If you are not then the £800 is for the Day Skipper, NOT the ICC which comes free once you have passed.
 
Tranona said:
See post#63. If you are competent already to Day Skipper level then either just the examination or more commonly as post#64 have a day's refresher and test. If you are not then the £800 is for the Day Skipper, NOT the ICC which comes free once you have passed.
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Also, although widely accepted on an unofficial basis, Day Skipper has no official recognition outside the UK (where no certification is needed anyway). ICC has limited international recognition. There is no truly international amateur certification scheme until you get to MCA accredited schemes such as Yachtmaster (which requires an additional step for MCA accreditation); ICC comes closest. I have no personal experience, but hearsay on the fora suggests that it is accepted as proof of competence much more widely than its official acceptance would suggest.
 
AntarcticPilot said:
Also, although widely accepted on an unofficial basis, Day Skipper has no official recognition outside the UK (where no certification is needed anyway). ICC has limited international recognition. There is no truly international amateur certification scheme until you get to MCA accredited schemes such as Yachtmaster (which requires an additional step for MCA accreditation); ICC comes closest. I have no personal experience, but hearsay on the fora suggests that it is accepted as proof of competence much more widely than its official acceptance would suggest.
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Indeed so. Greece for one is not a signatory to the ICC but very many people, including Port Police, ask for it regularly.
 
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