Sad Sight in Fareham Creek.

[Sandyman]

Mr Nicholas. The owner has scarpered and there is no way the Authority can prove ownership. In my time in a port the dodge was to say, Yes, I was the owner but I sold it to a bloke in the pub for cash.

Idea. Write to the QHM and ask permission to strip it - thereby reducing the blot on the landscape.

You remove all things that have resale value. Contact the owners association and make your deals. Ebay the remainder. Scrapyard all other metals.

Ha ha this is Gosport. Thw 'wreckers' will have taken anything worth having long since

 

[Tranona]

Why is it so difficult for you to understand that somebody should be responsible for the quality of the environment & not allow any old Tom Dick or Harry to dump their detritus there? The clue is in the name Queens Harbour Master if he is not responsible for situations like this then who the frigging hell is?

I don't have a problem with the lack of responsibility for the environment. what I am questioning is your unreasonable assumptions that

1 their lack of action was because the owner was a foreigner

and

2 their lack of action in this case is somehow an indicator that they are not on top of security issues in the harbour.

Suggest you stick to logical arguments and conclusions based on reasoning rather than making things up.

 

[prr]

this is a local firm, question is, who pays?

http://www.boatbreakers.com/scrap-a-boat/

 

[JumbleDuck]

I don't have a problem with the lack of responsibility for the environment. what I am questioning is your unreasonable assumptions that

1 their lack of action was because the owner was a foreigner

I think that's a little unfair to our friend. His argument isn't the boat has been left alone because it belongs to a foreigner; it's that should be removed because the owner is a foreigner. As far as I can see, decent, God-fearing English-owned wrecks are A-OK, because foreigners are terrorists and English people aren't.

OK, perhaps "argument" is putting it a bit strongly.

Or somethin like that

 

[Nicholas123]

I presume that these are Tomasz, Ryszard and Henryk, since it's all the fault of foreigners.



The Queen? She owns the foreshore, after all. Tell her to send down Harry with a JCB, stat.

You mean it's on the bit the Queen owns, like I wrote? Mind you, she's part foreign, married to a Greek and supports her large family with state handouts. Needs watching.

Since your memory seems to be failing...... or you are getting more desperate let me remind you what you wrote (see your post above) the Queen does not own the foreshore.That can be privately owned & in this case I suspect is owned by Gosport Council though it could be owned by the MOD who have no small presence in that area.

 

[Nicholas123]

Mr Nicholas. The owner has scarpered and there is no way the Authority can prove ownership. In my time in a port the dodge was to say, Yes, I was the owner but I sold it to a bloke in the pub for cash.

Idea. Write to the QHM and ask permission to strip it - thereby reducing the blot on the landscape.

You remove all things that have resale value. Contact the owners association and make your deals. Ebay the remainder. Scrapyard all other metals.

I doubt if the QHM could give permission to strip it & anyway I have no interest in acquiring anymore junk thankyou,my property is already bulging with 'useful' boat bits.
I suspect that if I or anyone else tried to strip it plod would come down on us like a ton of bricks & we'd be prosecuted for theft.It would still leave junk littering the creek.

 

[Nicholas123]

I don't have a problem with the lack of responsibility for the environment. what I am questioning is your unreasonable assumptions that

1 their lack of action was because the owner was a foreigner

and

2 their lack of action in this case is somehow an indicator that they are not on top of security issues in the harbour.

Suggest you stick to logical arguments and conclusions based on reasoning rather than making things up.

(1) Clearly being unable to locate the owner is quite possibly the reason for the wreck remaining.

(2) I did'nt say anything about them not being on top of security issues in the Port,I suggested that if they could do that they should be able to identify the owner & do something about it.

Your arrogance is blinding you to the reality.

 

[Nicholas123]

this is a local firm, question is, who pays?

http://www.boatbreakers.com/scrap-a-boat/

I'm not sure if that company could salvage it from the mud but there are plenty of local salvage type companies.The Environment Agency?

 

[awol]

Since your memory seems to be failing...... or you are getting more desperate let me remind you what you wrote (see your post above) the Queen does not own the foreshore.That can be privately owned & in this case I suspect is owned by Gosport Council though it could be owned by the MOD who have no small presence in that area.

The Crown Estate have produced a handy map where they have marked their ownership of the foreshore (that bit between high and low water marks) in purple.
https://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/media/5429/metal-south.pdf
It looks like they claim the Portsmouth area as their own.

 

[Nicholas123]

I think that's a little unfair to our friend. His argument isn't the boat has been left alone because it belongs to a foreigner; it's that should be removed because the owner is a foreigner. As far as I can see, decent, God-fearing English-owned wrecks are A-OK, because foreigners are terrorists and English people aren't.

OK, perhaps "argument" is putting it a bit strongly.

Or somethin like that

Clearly you can't see very far,that is because your head is firmly planted in that place I mentioned previously.Maybe it is about time you pulled your head out of there?

 

[Nicholas123]

The Crown Estate have produced a handy map where they have marked their ownership of the foreshore (that bit between high and low water marks) in purple.
https://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/media/5429/metal-south.pdf
It looks like they claim the Portsmouth area as their own.

That link of yours causes my computer to freeze up & become unworkable.I was under the impression that foreshore is the bit above highwater that can be privately owned,certainly there are areas in the Borough that fit that description.The Crown Estates own the stuff below the high water mark which is where that boat is.

Googling foreshore comes up with this "the part of a shore between high- and low-water marks, or between the water and cultivated or developed land."
Either way I can't see you being able to tell the Queen to get Harry to turn up with a JCB & start fumbling about as jumbleduck suggests can you?

 

[awol]

That link of yours causes my computer to freeze up & become unworkable.I was under the impression that foreshore is the bit above highwater that can be privately owned,certainly there are areas in the Borough that fit that description.The Crown Estates own the stuff below the high water mark which is where that boat is.

Your "impression" does not conform to the legal definition and the Crown Estate (note singular!) only lays claim to about 50% of the UK foreshore but nearly all the sea bed.. As for the map, I admit you need patience. It is a kosher site and eventually a map will appear and, if you have even more patience, can be expanded to show detail. The chairman of CE is Robin Budenburg, perhaps you should contact him and ask him to remove the source of your concern (and tell him how slow his server is).

 

[Nicholas123]

Your "impression" does not conform to the legal definition and the Crown Estate (note singular!) only lays claim to about 50% of the UK foreshore but nearly all the sea bed.. As for the map, I admit you need patience. It is a kosher site and eventually a map will appear and, if you have even more patience, can be expanded to show detail. The chairman of CE is Robin Budenburg, perhaps you should contact him and ask him to remove the source of your concern (and tell him how slow his server is).

I think there have been other arguments on here relating to foreshore & our right to access below the high water mark most recently in relation to I think it was Brownsea Island but anyway,I'm not interested in pedantic arguments by people who just want to justify dumping stuff in our creeks etc & spoiling the environment.

When Is harry going to arrive in his JCB or maybe you could arrange for that other one,what's his name William with a helicopter licence to fly from the Chinook base about a mile away & collect it by that means,then all we need is jumbleduck to flounder around in the mud & connect the strops to it?

PS: You could dump it in Fareham town centre along with all the other 'priceless' art exhibits there that the council have chosen to spend money on I think it would eclipse most of them.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Since your memory seems to be failing...... or you are getting more desperate let me remind you what you wrote (see your post above) the Queen does not own the foreshore.That can be privately owned & in this case I suspect is owned by Gosport Council though it could be owned by the MOD who have no small presence in that area.

foreshore
ˈfɔːʃɔː/
noun
noun: foreshore; plural noun: foreshores

the part of a shore between high- and low-water marks, or between the water and cultivated or developed land.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Clearly you can't see very far,that is because your head is firmly planted in that place I mentioned previously.

Fareham Creek? Sounds muddy.

 

[awol]

PS: You could dump it in Fareham town centre along with all the other 'priceless' art exhibits there that the council have chosen to spend money on I think it would eclipse most of them.

I am glad you are at last appreciating that there are aesthetic attractions that "found art" can bestow. From Duchamp's "Fountain" to a derelict plastic boat is not too far a leap and I am sure many would regard the muddy wastes to be enhanced by its presence. If you could get Banksy to paint a mural on it I am sure it would be removed in a trice.

 

[Nicholas123]

foreshore
ˈfɔːʃɔː/
noun
noun: foreshore; plural noun: foreshores

the part of a shore between high- and low-water marks, or between the water and cultivated or developed land.

 

[Nicholas123]

I am glad you are at last appreciating that there are aesthetic attractions that "found art" can bestow. From Duchamp's "Fountain" to a derelict plastic boat is not too far a leap and I am sure many would regard the muddy wastes to be enhanced by its presence. If you could get Banksy to paint a mural on it I am sure it would be removed in a trice.

I think nature in the raw provides far more beauty than artificial man made "art." Frankly most of it could be dumped in the creek with no loss at all.

 

[doug748]

...... Frankly most of it could be dumped in the creek with no loss at all.

Except to the creek perhaps. I follow you but I have done a search, Fareham looks unexpectedly nice, but I can't find any images of the mentioned art works.

Has anyone got a link?

 

[awol]

Don't know about Fareham's art treasures but here is Duchamp's Fountain