Sad Sight in Fareham Creek.

[Tranona]

(1) Clearly being unable to locate the owner is quite possibly the reason for the wreck remaining.

(2) I did'nt say anything about them not being on top of security issues in the Port,I suggested that if they could do that they should be able to identify the owner & do something about it.

Your arrogance is blinding you to the reality.

You are just making assumptions which have no basis in fact. You have not established whose responsibility it is (if anybody). You do not really know who owns the boat. You have no idea whether anybody has tried to contact the owner. You said that the failure to deal with the abandoned boat was an indicator of an inability to deal with security issues in Portsmouth Harbour.

Don't have any problem with your objection to wrecks on environmental grounds - just the fantasy you develop from that.

If you want to do something about it, find out who is responsible for clearing the foreshore in that area and lobby them to do something about it.

 

[Nicholas123]

Except to the creek perhaps. I follow you but I have done a search, Fareham looks unexpectedly nice, but I can't find any images of the mentioned art works.

Has anyone got a link?

Here's one https://www.flickr.com/photos/pompeyroy/7815234678/ (the bike in the foreground is not part of the exhibit,that would raise it's value considerably).There are more.......rumoured to have cost the inhabitants anywhere between 1 & 3 million quid depending on who you talk to.

It (the whole ensemble) is supposed to commemorate a local bloke who developed a smelting/blast furnace type process,sadly his name escapes me.Frankly I think if he saw all that junk somehow linked to his name his soul would be in turmoil & he would want to move to another Borough

 

[Nicholas123]

You are just making assumptions which have no basis in fact. You have not established whose responsibility it is (if anybody). You do not really know who owns the boat. You have no idea whether anybody has tried to contact the owner. You said that the failure to deal with the abandoned boat was an indicator of an inability to deal with security issues in Portsmouth Harbour.

Don't have any problem with your objection to wrecks on environmental grounds - just the fantasy you develop from that.

If you want to do something about it, find out who is responsible for clearing the foreshore in that area and lobby them to do something about it.

No I hav'nt,that's complete nonsense.

In the absence of any official explanation & the fact that that wreck is still there over two years after it first washed up what else is there but assumptions to make? The fact is it's a disgrace & shows that there is something wrong with the system that this is allowed to happen (in my opinion of course).

I don't have the time to go round 'lobbying' who ever is supposed to take care of these things that are now happening on a fairly regular basis,clearly someone is not doing their job.:disgust: ( I did try to spur the QHM into action several years ago over a similar wreck round here but did'nt even get a reply to an email I made & I think I may also have contacted my M.P.).
I continually pick up rubbish I find in the creek but it is a loosing battle against the increasing number of people & an entirely selfish attitude by many.Again :disgust:

 

[ripvan1]

Back to the catamaran in Eastney, whose resposibility lies with PCC and not the harbourmaster and who I have been "lobbying" to do something about it (on environmental, safety and attracting kids and junkies grounds) I decided to get on board yesterday and take an old rope off it. Just as I was getting off, the police arrived and I thought - good, let's see what they've got to say - they looked, did a U-turn and pushed off. So much for doing me for theft - I'm sure they're aware of the problems with this vessel and authorities refusing to do anything about it. I almost wish bill had confronted me as I'd love to point out to a magistrate that junkies have used this boat and their detritus still remains on board and kids have been playing on it, presumably unaware of this. Advising on a forum to "lobby" the authorities is all well and good advice but don't hold your breath for a result at least until someone is injured or worse.

 

[DJE]

Liability for these wrecks lies with the boat owners but pursuing them is a pretty hopeless course of action. If you want the local authorities to pick up the tab that's fine but you have to convince the electorate to pay the extra tax to cover the costs.

 

[ripvan1]

Liability for these wrecks lies with the boat owners but pursuing them is a pretty hopeless course of action. If you want the local authorities to pick up the tab that's fine but you have to convince the electorate to pay the extra tax to cover the costs.

Yes I understand that, however PCC have admitted resposibility for it and now it's becoming a hazard to persons (not shipping because of its position) so my view is it should be moved and then the money chased which is going to be a pointless and even costlier exercise. As a comparison any flytipping on council land is cleared regularly and the culprits chased and put through the court if found, if not then they bear the cost but you can't just leave it there = or is that what you're suggesting ?

 

[Tranona]

No I hav'nt,that's complete nonsense.

In the absence of any official explanation & the fact that that wreck is still there over two years after it first washed up what else is there but assumptions to make? The fact is it's a disgrace & shows that there is something wrong with the system that this is allowed to happen (in my opinion of course).

I don't have the time to go round 'lobbying' who ever is supposed to take care of these things that are now happening on a fairly regular basis,clearly someone is not doing their job.:disgust: ( I did try to spur the QHM into action several years ago over a similar wreck round here but did'nt even get a reply to an email I made & I think I may also have contacted my M.P.).
I continually pick up rubbish I find in the creek but it is a loosing battle against the increasing number of people & an entirely selfish attitude by many.Again :disgust:

Yes, you did - otherwise I would not have picked you up on it. You should read back over what you have written.

If you are not prepared to do something about it then stop moaning about the lack of action about others unless you know exactly who is responsible and also more importantly know that they have not carried out their duty.

You won't get an "official" explanation unless you ask, so plain wrong for youy to make assumptions of the kind you have here.

Either deal in facts or say nothing.

 

[chrishscorp]

I think nature in the raw provides far more beauty than artificial man made "art." Frankly most of it could be dumped in the creek with no loss at all.

Only if the Council is chained to it first

 

[chrishscorp]

Even worse than dumped sunk boats we have EU nationals chucking their unwanted ordanance in our harbour, and they called us the dirty man of Europe

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/de...mb-discovered-in-portsmouth-harbour-1-7571302

 

[Nicholas123]

Yes, you did - otherwise I would not have picked you up on it. You should read back over what you have written.

If you are not prepared to do something about it then stop moaning about the lack of action about others unless you know exactly who is responsible and also more importantly know that they have not carried out their duty.

You won't get an "official" explanation unless you ask, so plain wrong for youy to make assumptions of the kind you have here.

Either deal in facts or say nothing.

I know what I said & you are frankly deluded.I think you have chosen to attack me because my attitude embarrasses you & your more 'relaxed' attitude towards the environment.

 

[Nicholas123]

Only if the Council is chained to it first

& Tranona

 

[prr]

hopefully it will be gone on Nov 6th.

Back to the catamaran in Eastney, whose resposibility lies with PCC and not the harbourmaster and who I have been "lobbying" to do something about it (on environmental, safety and attracting kids and junkies grounds) I decided to get on board yesterday and take an old rope off it. Just as I was getting off, the police arrived and I thought - good, let's see what they've got to say - they looked, did a U-turn and pushed off. So much for doing me for theft - I'm sure they're aware of the problems with this vessel and authorities refusing to do anything about it. I almost wish bill had confronted me as I'd love to point out to a magistrate that junkies have used this boat and their detritus still remains on board and kids have been playing on it, presumably unaware of this. Advising on a forum to "lobby" the authorities is all well and good advice but don't hold your breath for a result at least until someone is injured or worse.

 

[prr]

Maybe the answer is a 'Luxury Items Tax'

 

[fisherman]

At Penryn this week, having a coffee at the quay and notice the 40ft or so motor boat across the way is on her beam ends, shame, she was discussed on here years ago as she is apparently a fairly important or iconic vessel, enough to warrant some effort at the time. I dare say the harbour office would be able to transfer ownership.
Edit: there she is, the white one on the beach.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=i...PAhUsJMAKHcyXD3UQ7AkIKA#imgrc=A-dWgl82M644_M:

 

[awol]

Even worse than dumped sunk boats we have EU nationals chucking their unwanted ordanance in our harbour, and they called us the dirty man of Europe

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/de...mb-discovered-in-portsmouth-harbour-1-7571302

... and your evidence that this was not a home-grown leftover from the war that we started is?

 

[Nicholas123]

... and your evidence that this was not a home-grown leftover from the war that we started is?

What war that we started?

 

[doug748]

Here's one https://www.flickr.com/photos/pompeyroy/7815234678/ (the bike in the foreground is not part of the exhibit,that would raise it's value considerably).There are more.......rumoured to have cost the inhabitants anywhere between 1 & 3 million quid depending on who you talk to.

It (the whole ensemble) is supposed to commemorate a local bloke who developed a smelting/blast furnace type process,sadly his name escapes me.Frankly I think if he saw all that junk somehow linked to his name his soul would be in turmoil & he would want to move to another Borough

Thanks for taking the trouble to post the link.

I see.

The scuppered boat could replace the artwork, killing a few birds with one stone.

 

[JumbleDuck]

It (the whole ensemble) is supposed to commemorate a local bloke who developed a smelting/blast furnace type process,sadly his name escapes me.Frankly I think if he saw all that junk somehow linked to his name his soul would be in turmoil & he would want to move to another Borough

I presume you are referring to Henry Cort, who invented the puddling process for making wrought iron, which was one of the foundations of the industrial revolution because it allowed production in far greater quantities than before. It seems entirely appropriate to commemorate him with work by blacksmith sculptors.

You'll doubtless be relieved to learn that, as far as is known, Henry Cort was English.

 

[Nicholas123]

Thanks for taking the trouble to post the link.

I see.

The scuppered boat could replace the artwork, killing a few birds with one stone.

I tried to find information on Fareham Borough Councils own website originally because there are about a dozen of these "artworks" all I think commissioned from the same bloke.
Beleive me many more wrecks are needed!

 

[Nicholas123]

I presume you are referring to Henry Cort, who invented the puddling process for making wrought iron, which was one of the foundations of the industrial revolution because it allowed production in far greater quantities than before. It seems entirely appropriate to commemorate him with work by blacksmith sculptors.

You'll doubtless be relieved to learn that, as far as is known, Henry Cort was English.

I knew what the bloke was all about before you felt the need to prove how clever you are believe me,I just could'nt remember his name & as someone who's background is in Engineering I think I am pretty well qualified to identify decent Engineering craftsmanship.........You won't find any in that heap of old junk just gullible councillors that have been taken for a ride..........& yes do try to keep on proving the racism designation,I'm sure it will help you with your bitterness over Brexit :encouragement:

Blacksmith sculptors Real Engineering & even blacksmiths were foundered on practicality,something completely absent from that exhibition/collection/I'm not sure how you describe it

PS: Come to think of it I take back some of the criticism I levelled against the sculptor.There is one exhibit I like.A cute little depiction of an anvil type character.That did involve skill to make & some character/sense of humour.I guess the Councillors bought that one & had all the rest thrown in for free