Niander
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Not easy to move sunk yachts like that..how about a JCB on a boat and smash it to bits in situ and bury it in the mud out of sight?...job done.
Sad Sight in Fareham Creek.
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Giblets
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Perhaps a look up Haslar Creek to the north of the road bridge would be good for those wishing to see abandoned and rotting boats.
Nicholas123
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Sorry this also
Those are interesting wrecks you have posted there I don't recognise any of them or the locations except possibly the first one & that is not an area that I have strayed into.Are they old photo's in areas that there has been a fair bit of development since? ( & the wrecks themselves have aged)?
Nicholas123
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Why is it so difficult for you to understand that somebody should be responsible for the quality of the environment & not allow any old Tom Dick or Harry to dump their detritus there? The clue is in the name Queens Harbour Master if he is not responsible for situations like this then who the frigging hell is?
Nicholas123
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Only in your own mind mate
PS: If you opened your own eyes (& not just in that place where the sun dos'nt shine) you would see that I complained about this before the origin of the owner was known.
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Nicholas123
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I should think it would have been fairly easy to remove it if somebody was on the ball when it first washed up.
The Admiralty have alsorts of incredible craft at their disposal so I can't see it is such a big deal.They manage to move warships around deploy & remove enormous buoys & all the associated infrastructure & commercial activity is always going on dredging & establishing mariners & stuff, it is hardly rocket science.
Just allowing complete fibreglass boats to sink into the mud is wholly unacceptable in my opinion & would be a complete & utter disgrace (as it is now).
Nicholas123
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Justifying things just because of what has gone on in the past seems pretty pathetic to me.
We live in a world now where the quality of our environment is being put into much more direct focus & the implications of ignoring the quality of the natural environment is exactly what has got us into an ecological global warming mess.It is entirely irresponsible! Besides these are modern fibreglass none biodegradable boats & there is potentially one hell of a waiting list of irresponsible owners who will no doubt hope their responsibilities can be disposed of in a similar manner.I have seen at least four similar incidents in & around Fareham in recent years.Nobody seems to give a damn what ends up in the creek :disgust:
Sandyman
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http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2540305
http://gooddaybaddayasiseeit.blogspot.pt/2011/12/wrecks-of-forton-lake-gosport-hampshire.html
http://www.nauticalarchaeologysociety.org/content/forton-lake-community-archaeology-project
https://www.flickr.com/photos/22224065@N07/sets/72157618846130785/
http://thatphotoguy.co.uk/wreck-hms-293/
Ever visited Forton Lake? Would you dispose of these because they look an eyesore ?
http://gooddaybaddayasiseeit.blogspot.pt/2011/12/wrecks-of-forton-lake-gosport-hampshire.html
http://www.nauticalarchaeologysociety.org/content/forton-lake-community-archaeology-project
https://www.flickr.com/photos/22224065@N07/sets/72157618846130785/
http://thatphotoguy.co.uk/wreck-hms-293/
Ever visited Forton Lake? Would you dispose of these because they look an eyesore ?
fisherman
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Every port/river/creek has a boneyard with the skeletons of wooden boats as in the pics, you can almost hear the echo of "It's a project"...."I'm doing her up".....I find them interesting rather than intrusive or detrimental. GRP of course, is something else. In the late nineties we used to camp near Frenchman's Creek and on the North bank opposite was a part-converted 50ft or so ex French FV, up on the beach. On Sundays a man would appear in a red truck, drive along the beach and climb aboard, to emerge on the after deck facing us with a deckchair and several beers ("Just going off to work on the boat, darling") where he would stay most of the day. I suppose he may have died as a few years ago she was towed up to a creek near Gweek and left on the mud to fall apart, which she did quite quickly.
Sandyman
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Just read your last post re; plastic fibreglass junk. Yes they are going to be one hell of a problem in the future. Looking round the marinas now at all the thousands of plastic boats I wonder how many of them in say, 50 years, will end up on moorings then become neglected
& left to there fate.
& left to there fate.
JumbleDuck
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I presume that these are Tomasz, Ryszard and Henryk, since it's all the fault of foreigners.
The clue is in the name Queens Harbour Master if he is not responsible for situations like this then who the frigging hell is?
The Queen? She owns the foreshore, after all. Tell her to send down Harry with a JCB, stat.
Pete7
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I suspect that QHM has more pressing issues at the moment and that includes budgeting for a shed load of extra posts for the new Carriers. A 20ft GRP yacht high on a mud bank away from the main channel isn't a pressing need.
Anyway what will Baldrick and the Timeteam dig up in 200 years time if we don't leave them something.
Wonder if there are any lobsters in it?
Pete
Anyway what will Baldrick and the Timeteam dig up in 200 years time if we don't leave them something.
Wonder if there are any lobsters in it?
Pete
Nicholas123
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These things are interesting.I grew up in Bursledon as previously stated & in a creek by us there was what was rumoured to be a Viking ship,then of course there is the Argmanan (can't do the spelling) I think it is called & more recently they have found the bones of "the Holy Gost." These things are of course a million miles away from modern fibreglass boats that don't degrade as easily & people can't manage to keep up or dispose of responsibly.
Nicholas123
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Precisely.Good to hear that there is at least one other concerned about this problem & is prepared to put his head above the parapet :encouragement:
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Nicholas123
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After my trip out around Portsmouth Harbour a few weeks ago I would say that is already happening :encouragement: You can see 'accidents' just waiting to happen as Sandy I think it was mentioned earlier on in this thread down Devon way.
Nicholas123
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You really are full of yourself ar'nt you,I think I might just be able to guess which side you were on in the in/out referendum.Another bitter remoaner with only name calling left in the arsenal
If you look very very carefully & pull your head out of that dark place mentioned earlier you should should be able to just about determine that that wreck is below the high water mark.
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Nicholas123
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More likely a Diesel engine,Diesel & things like batteries.........all of which of course do no end of good to the environment
JumbleDuck
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You mean it's on the bit the Queen owns, like I wrote? Mind you, she's part foreign, married to a Greek and supports her large family with state handouts. Needs watching.
EdWingfield
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Mr Nicholas. The owner has scarpered and there is no way the Authority can prove ownership. In my time in a port the dodge was to say, Yes, I was the owner but I sold it to a bloke in the pub for cash.
Idea. Write to the QHM and ask permission to strip it - thereby reducing the blot on the landscape.
You remove all things that have resale value. Contact the owners association and make your deals. Ebay the remainder. Scrapyard all other metals.
Idea. Write to the QHM and ask permission to strip it - thereby reducing the blot on the landscape.
You remove all things that have resale value. Contact the owners association and make your deals. Ebay the remainder. Scrapyard all other metals.
awol
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Once the number of wrecks reach critical mass it may be worth someone's while to salvage them. The problem is recycling glass fibre is not economic as its reuse (so far anyway) is as a substitute for calcium carbonate which is cheap as chips. Carbon fibre, on the other hand, is worth recycling. So the present answer is landfill or leave them to sink in the mud which may help prevent erosion in those areas that are slowly sinking e.g. Portsmouth.