Sad Sight in Fareham Creek.

[prv]

The Authority will look for ownership and insurer.
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The Authority will seek ownership.

Except that apparently if the authority is QHM and the wreck isn't obstructing the commercial or military port, the authority won't do either of those things. That's rather the point of this thread.

Pete

 

[Nicholas123]

So had it been owned by an UK citizen what difference would that have made? The Clyde has had the MV Captayannis lying capsized and aground since 1974 and there is actually a view there to despoil.

The authorities would no doubt come down on him/her like a ton of bricks & they would have had to shoulder the responsibility for removing it.There have been some very silly responses in this thread.
Portsmouth Harbour has some wonderful views & a very nice natural environment that needs protecting from selfish irresponsible idiots.

 

[Tranona]

The authorities would no doubt come down on him/her like a ton of bricks & they would have had to shoulder the responsibility for removing it.There have been some very silly responses in this thread.
Portsmouth Harbour has some wonderful views & a very nice natural environment that needs protecting from selfish irresponsible idiots.

However, if you read all the posts you will realise that even if they have the authority to move it, they do not necessarily exercise it. It is irrelevant that the boat is owned by a non UK citizen, despite what you might think!

 

[Nicholas123]

Helped a friend take his new boat down the Exe yesterday and we counted two sunk boats and about 10 that had been neglected for years and will sink in due course.

Sadly nobody wants to clear them up and toss them in landfill.

Precisely.If you dump your car in a street somewhere the authorities will pretty soon put a ticket on it or remove it but there is no equivalent that I am aware of in the marine environment so irresponsible selfish behaviour goes unchecked.The whole situation is a completer & utter disgrace.

 

[Nicholas123]

However, if you read all the posts you will realise that even if they have the authority to move it, they do not necessarily exercise it. It is irrelevant that the boat is owned by a non UK citizen, despite what you might think!

No need for you to jump to conclusions,I believe I covered that while you were making out this post :encouragement:

 

[Nicholas123]

Except that apparently if the authority is QHM and the wreck isn't obstructing the commercial or military port, the authority won't do either of those things. That's rather the point of this thread.

Pete

Precisely, it seems a wonderful natural environment has no value :disgust:

 

[prv]

Precisely.If you dump your car in a street somewhere the authorities will pretty soon put a ticket on it or remove it but there is no equivalent that I am aware of in the marine environment

Of course there is - the local harbour authority. I've seen two boats sink on moorings in the river Itchen; very swiftly ABP had put a boom around them to contain any leaking fuel or oil, and a few days later they were removed (one was craned onto the quay and sat there for a couple of weeks before being removed; not sure what happened to the other). Likewise if you abandoned a boat in Lymington or Yarmouth I don't expect it would stick around for long.

In Portsmouth, QHM seems to take the view that wrecks aren't a problem unless they're in the way, so in the upper reaches of the harbour they just get ignored. Fair enough if you disagree, but it's not a problem of law nor (even more absurd) the EU. Purely QHM's priorities, and that's who you need to complain to if you want them to do something about it.

Pete

 

[Nicholas123]

Of course there is - the local harbour authority. I've seen two boats sink on moorings in the river Itchen; very swiftly ABP had put a boom around them to contain any leaking fuel or oil, and a few days later they were removed (one was craned onto the quay and sat there for a couple of weeks before being removed; not sure what happened to the other). Likewise if you abandoned a boat in Lymington or Yarmouth I don't expect it would stick around for long.

In Portsmouth, QHM seems to take the view that wrecks aren't a problem unless they're in the way, so in the upper reaches of the harbour they just get ignored. Fair enough if you disagree, but it's not a problem of law nor (even more absurd) the EU. Purely QHM's priorities, and that's who you need to complain to if you want them to do something about it.

Pete

I assumed the QHM would have tried to track down the owner after reading a response from Giblets in another thread recently.Clearly the fact a Spanish citizen would be harder to trace could have been the cause of his not being able to do something.......though I will agree from past experience he dos'nt seem to take his responsibility very seriously.

Still I am surprised there is'nt a conservation body to put pressure on him,there seems to be no shortage of them when seahorses are concerned.

 

[awol]

Once the wreck has been there for a while it may be colonised by a variety of aquatic life. That life has more interest for conservation bodies than the view. Make too much of a fuss and they'll slap an SSSI order on it.

 

[prv]

I assumed the QHM would have tried to track down the owner after reading a response from Giblets in another thread recently.

Haven't seen the thread in question, but it doesn't seem like a very sound assumption. I was up the top of Portsmouth Harbour a couple of weeks ago and remember thinking that there were an unusually large number of abandoned wrecks compared to other places. They can't all be owned by Spanish people.

Pete

 

[Nicholas123]

Haven't seen the thread in question, but it doesn't seem like a very sound assumption. I was up the top of Portsmouth Harbour a couple of weeks ago and remember thinking that there were an unusually large number of abandoned wrecks compared to other places. They can't all be owned by Spanish people.

Pete

I'm talking about one specific wreck not ones in parts of the harbour I don't visit & don't know about.We know this one was owned by what sounds like an irresponsible Spaniard if earlier contributions to this thread are true........still there could be an outbreak of Spaniards

 

[sarabande]

North Devon District Council is taking its time over removing this wreck...

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When does a wreck change from being a dead boat to a thing of beauty and useful as a mini-environment ?

 

[Nicholas123]

Once the wreck has been there for a while it may be colonised by a variety of aquatic life. That life has more interest for conservation bodies than the view. Make too much of a fuss and they'll slap an SSSI order on it.

Not true.We already have an SSSI's that means precious little.What we need is less junk!

 

[steve yates]

Mmm, I worked out of Portsmouth harbour for years, I don't ever remember seeing any wonderful views worth talking about, much less saving

 

[Bob Stay]

...When does a wreck change from being a dead boat to a thing of beauty and useful as a mini-environment ?

When it mutates from plastic into timber perhaps

 

[ripvan1]

Large abandoned catamaran at Eastney point. Been there about a year - vagrants inhabited for a while 'til it had small fire. Harbourmaster says it's Portsmouth Council's problem - PCC took months to accept that it's a department called "asset management's" responsibility on the foreshore - that was 3 months ago - boat still there.
Would the foreshore in Portsmouth Harbour also be responsibility of Gosport and Fareham councils.

 

[Mark-1]

Mmm, I worked out of Portsmouth harbour for years, I don't ever remember seeing any wonderful views worth talking about, much less saving

Agree, but I quite liked it when the scrap 'O' Class Submarines were moored near Portchester Lake, that was quite a sight with Portchester Castle i the background. Turner could have made a good job of that, I reckon.

 

[EdWingfield]

Large abandoned catamaran at Eastney point. Been there about a year - vagrants inhabited for a while 'til it had small fire. Harbourmaster says it's Portsmouth Council's problem - PCC took months to accept that it's a department called "asset management's" responsibility on the foreshore - that was 3 months ago - boat still there.
Would the foreshore in Portsmouth Harbour also be responsibility of Gosport and Fareham councils.

Look up the by-laws. It could be that HW mark is the demarcation.

 

[Nicholas123]

Mmm, I worked out of Portsmouth harbour for years, I don't ever remember seeing any wonderful views worth talking about, much less saving

Well lets face it,some people don't recognise beauty even when they are surrounded by it.

 

[Keith 66]

Councils have (or had) a statutory duty for foreshore if they had any. It would depend if they own it perhaps. The harbour authority would have responsibility too.
In our case on the Thames estuary the Port of London authority will clear abandoned wrecks if they are in the channel & they are very hot about chasing perps.