Red Diesal IMHO

[DaCostaGreene]

Why is is that a fuel that was originally for agricultural use and marine engines being defended so well by the marine industries customers?

I think its because, you've been getting away with using it for personal use for so long, you'd rather not have to pay the extra.

I have a diesal land rover, so why I can't I use red d in it?? You can use it for your boats for personal use, why not a car??

Pink petrol!! Thats the way around it. I just think the whole ordeal has been blown out of proportion.

IMHO, of course.

 

[rickp]

Your trolls over plastic teak were better...

Rick

 

[DaCostaGreene]

No such thing as plastic teak!! You have plastic, then you have teak but not the two together as one, its a bit contradicting saying plastic teak

Anyhow answer the question, don't try and belittle my posts or threads - try and be constructive and have a debate about a hot topic, OK?

 

[rlaybourne]

Until 2 Jags & Tone pay for their own fuel and all politicians are put in touch with the reality of life at their own, rather than taxpayers, expense (including pensions) then all fuel should be VAT free. Where's the "Value Add" in a necessity for life?

In my not so humble opinion!

 

[DaCostaGreene]

Ah yes but its not the VAT rate that's changing is it? or is it? Any case, its only 17.5% inflation, we're all used to paying shed loads for fuel for our cars why not a little extra for a boat - Why should boaties be any different to the rest of us?

 

[rlaybourne]

Hell - you're not a boatie.

Because the cash we splurge on boating trickles down and supports an army of small businesses maintaining, repairing and servicing our follies. Then that same army buys the goods and services we provide which pays for our boating addiction.

If the chill winds of full price fuel blow, fewer will buy into baoting and when I come to sell my latest and greatest it will have depreciated even further.

How many civil servants and local govt employees do you know with boats?

 

[Aardee]

Turkeys voting for Christmas

Hi DCL,

Not sure if you've noticed, but this one's been done to death already. It even has it's own forum...

I would have thought that as a part of the marine industry, you'd have a vested interest in keeping fuel costs down, not arguing for an increase. If all our hard-earned is going on fuel, there's no dosh left for fripperies like teak decks etc.

And you a so-called businessman too /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[mjf]

B..........off!

Do us all a favour and stick to crap fake teak.......which as i saw last w/e on a RIB looks awful when its not clean. Just looked like a piece of cheap plastic - oh yes , that was it is of course,silly me.

 

[No1_Moose]

Re: Turkeys voting for Christmas

nah, catamarans that use petrol outboards won't be affected too badly.

 

[Talbot]

Re: Turkeys voting for Christmas

my cat uses a diesel outboard.

 

[DaCostaGreene]

Re: Turkeys voting for Christmas

Can't be bothered to talk about decks.

No, I don't sell boats, dimwit - I would have thought that you'd know that by now.

If you think that boats are the only things that have teak decking on them, you are very much mistaken, caravans (ergh), specialist trailers, balconies, swimming pools, hot tubs - you name.

OK, get off your high horses and have a proper conversation about something - I don't care if its been done to death - if it has, then don't reply

 

[duncan]

I would normally be amazed that someone perceptive enough to recognise teak from plastic cannot see the difference between boats and cars (road vehicles). In your case I will clearly have to make an exception.

To assist - road vehicles go on roads and are required to pay additional excise duty on the fuel they use doing so. This is supposed to contribute to the infrastructure but such direct links in excise/funding tend to get rather blurred over time. Boats only travel on roads as a guest of such vehicles - that would of course be paying to be there in the first place.

If you use your landrover to drive around and around in a field you own you are not required to pay this duty and can use red diesel/ chip shop oil or whatever you wish. Unfortunately if you subsequently wish to travel on the road you will need to completely purge your fuel system as a by product of the dye/marker used. Equally you are not required to pay vehicle excise duty either if you remain off the road (and have completed the appropriate declaration) - neither, posssibly surprisingly to you, do boats.

 

[Andrew_Fanner]

Re: Turkeys voting for Christmas

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How many civil servants and local govt employees do you know with boats?
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Me beastie, me do that thing. And have several freinds in the same bracket. All people who would be in the box labeled "forced to give up" if red went. All people who sacrifice a great deal to be able to boat at all. Violins please

As usual, tax changes smack the less well off first.

But I'm off home soon and there is some decent beer in the fridge. Plus SWMBO is back on the strength so off to the boat tomorrow.

 

[No1_Moose]

Re: Turkeys voting for Christmas

I didn't say you sold boats. Why am I dimwit?

Can you not see that if red diesel were to go there would be a few less boats sold and therefore a few less decks for you to fit.

The govt doesn't have to pay too much to 'maintain' the sea, well, at least a lot less than they have to pay to dig up roads and build new roads and put new speed cameras in (to catch people who tear around like maniacs) so that is one good reason to not pay extra tax to mess around on the water.

Oh and haven't you put yourself on a bit of a high horse by telling everybody to get of theirs?

 

[l'escargot]

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...How many civil servants and local govt employees do you know with boats?

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Loads, look here!

 

[No1_Moose]

hehe
I think I can see Sir Humprey Appleby in one of those photos

 

[Aardee]

Re: Turkeys voting for Christmas

I'm not on a high horse, I'm merely pointing out that you're arguing for a change that would adversely affect YOUR business, but if you're happy with that, then so be it.

My comment about it being done to death wasn't meant to discourage healthy debate, it was more to point you to a resource you could use to do some background research (now there's a novelty), instead of us all having to start from the very beginning.

If you have a new & enlightening angle on the subject, I'm sure we'd all be delighted to hear it.

 

[rlaybourne]

Oh Jeez - so I'm subsidising them to have fun boating.

Now I know where the taxes go. ;-)

 

[rlaybourne]

Interesting to note they're all Raggies though.

Not a motor boat section in sight. We need to recruit them to our gang!

 

[Aardee]

Oi, what's wrong with being a Raggie!! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif