l'escargot
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100 posts
You can all stop now - it's made the ton /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
You can all stop now - it's made the ton /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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fireball
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Re: 100 posts
ok ... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif - banned to rm 101 ??
ok ... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif - banned to rm 101 ??
hlb
RIP
Re: Rule 9b
Strange thing is, one of the reasons I gave up dinghy racing. It just stopped being for fun.
Me and thwife used to sail a national ospray on the local res. Knew little about sailing rules, but some times joined a race.
So we are sailing along struggeling to keep the 25 ft mast upright'ish, so the booms nearly touching the water, so I could see nothing from that direction anyway.
Next minute theres a wind surfer on the deck, before uncerimonally falling off into the drink.
Turns out when we get to shore, it's not his surf board but a mates and it was brand new. So the owner wanted to get all fisty cuffs with me, for damaging his boat!!
Well I might (as he said) have been on the wrong tack, whatever. But he rammed me on perpose. Then complained about damage!! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Strange thing is, one of the reasons I gave up dinghy racing. It just stopped being for fun.
Me and thwife used to sail a national ospray on the local res. Knew little about sailing rules, but some times joined a race.
So we are sailing along struggeling to keep the 25 ft mast upright'ish, so the booms nearly touching the water, so I could see nothing from that direction anyway.
Next minute theres a wind surfer on the deck, before uncerimonally falling off into the drink.
Turns out when we get to shore, it's not his surf board but a mates and it was brand new. So the owner wanted to get all fisty cuffs with me, for damaging his boat!!
Well I might (as he said) have been on the wrong tack, whatever. But he rammed me on perpose. Then complained about damage!! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
fireball
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Giving up dinghy racing
Shame ... Osprey is an excellent boat ... me? I've been racing various dinghies for the last 20+ years, everything from Mirrors to RS800s. The bits I still enjoy are the close racing in the same class and going really really fast with most of the boat out of the water ...
I've had my share of accidents too ... chopped a fireball in half with a 420 ... he submerged and just managed to get back to the club (he was on port tack and I tried to miss him!). Had my fireball holed by a port tacker .... holed an albacore whilst I was on port tack. Nothing ever serious and no damage to human life (always check before proceeding with the rest of the race!). I don't think I have ever colided with a non-racing boat though ...
perhaps you'll have to come out for a race one day ....
Shame ... Osprey is an excellent boat ... me? I've been racing various dinghies for the last 20+ years, everything from Mirrors to RS800s. The bits I still enjoy are the close racing in the same class and going really really fast with most of the boat out of the water ...
I've had my share of accidents too ... chopped a fireball in half with a 420 ... he submerged and just managed to get back to the club (he was on port tack and I tried to miss him!). Had my fireball holed by a port tacker .... holed an albacore whilst I was on port tack. Nothing ever serious and no damage to human life (always check before proceeding with the rest of the race!). I don't think I have ever colided with a non-racing boat though ...
perhaps you'll have to come out for a race one day ....
Col
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Re: Giving up dinghy racing
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As for tacking near a larger vessel - then that surely depends on the situation - a racing helm might need that extra 20-30' to get round another obstical and in doing so will generally be good at judging distances and relative movements - they are used to racing in tight packs and racing within a few inches of other competitors so 5-10' away from a larger vessel isn't bad - as long as the skipper of that vessel is happy he has been seen!
[/ QUOTE ] Suggesting we should not be worried by you tacking close to other boats????
Ah but......
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I've had my share of accidents too ... chopped a fireball in half with a 420 ... he submerged and just managed to get back to the club (he was on port tack and I tried to miss him!). Had my fireball holed by a port tacker .... holed an albacore whilst I was on port tack. Nothing ever serious and no damage to human life
[/ QUOTE ] Sort of shoots yerself in the foot a bit I would say.
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As for tacking near a larger vessel - then that surely depends on the situation - a racing helm might need that extra 20-30' to get round another obstical and in doing so will generally be good at judging distances and relative movements - they are used to racing in tight packs and racing within a few inches of other competitors so 5-10' away from a larger vessel isn't bad - as long as the skipper of that vessel is happy he has been seen!
[/ QUOTE ] Suggesting we should not be worried by you tacking close to other boats????
Ah but......
[ QUOTE ]
I've had my share of accidents too ... chopped a fireball in half with a 420 ... he submerged and just managed to get back to the club (he was on port tack and I tried to miss him!). Had my fireball holed by a port tacker .... holed an albacore whilst I was on port tack. Nothing ever serious and no damage to human life
[/ QUOTE ] Sort of shoots yerself in the foot a bit I would say.
hlb
RIP
Re: Giving up dinghy racing
Dont know what your worried about. He's invited me to go out with him!!! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Dont know what your worried about. He's invited me to go out with him!!! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
fireball
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Re: Giving up dinghy racing
in 20 odd years, 3 memorable incidents isn't bad!!
in 20 odd years, 3 memorable incidents isn't bad!!
hlb
RIP
Re: Giving up dinghy racing
In nearly 40 years, I aint hit nothing. Let alone sliceing boats in half. You learned anything yet from this thread on colision avoidance?? Just dont get a bigger boat!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
In nearly 40 years, I aint hit nothing. Let alone sliceing boats in half. You learned anything yet from this thread on colision avoidance?? Just dont get a bigger boat!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Its_Only_Money
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Re: Giving up dinghy racing
So these games work OK in dinghy-on-dinghy you think????
Pressing home stand-on status (which clearly must happen a lot if you actually get to collisions 3 times in 20yrs, even if you don´t consider them serious incidents), against bigger vessels will eventually end in tragedy sometime, somewhere - as well as being against the col regs in itself.
So these games work OK in dinghy-on-dinghy you think????
Pressing home stand-on status (which clearly must happen a lot if you actually get to collisions 3 times in 20yrs, even if you don´t consider them serious incidents), against bigger vessels will eventually end in tragedy sometime, somewhere - as well as being against the col regs in itself.
fireball
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Re: Giving up dinghy racing
Nice to see that you've judged me ... knowing very little about my sailing area and the amount of time I've spent on the water ... 3 collisions in 20 years is pretty good - if you've spent the last 20 years racing in close proximity.
No I don't consider them serious - do you? What is considered serious anyway?
Just go back to thinking you have right of way over all sailing vessels whenever you feel like it and we'll all be happy won't we ..
What have I learnt from this thread on collision avoidance? That there is still a core of Moboers who believe they have the right to uninterupted passage in a channel, who believe the safety of sailing vessels in that channel are of no concern to them as everyone should get out of their way because they are restricted in their ability.
For me ... I have a yacht and dinghy and will continue boating in the way that I have learnt and continue to learn.
Nice to see that you've judged me ... knowing very little about my sailing area and the amount of time I've spent on the water ... 3 collisions in 20 years is pretty good - if you've spent the last 20 years racing in close proximity.
No I don't consider them serious - do you? What is considered serious anyway?
Just go back to thinking you have right of way over all sailing vessels whenever you feel like it and we'll all be happy won't we ..
What have I learnt from this thread on collision avoidance? That there is still a core of Moboers who believe they have the right to uninterupted passage in a channel, who believe the safety of sailing vessels in that channel are of no concern to them as everyone should get out of their way because they are restricted in their ability.
For me ... I have a yacht and dinghy and will continue boating in the way that I have learnt and continue to learn.
landaftaf
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Re: Giving up dinghy racing
dont want to be pedantic but if you aint hit nothing it is a double negative so you have hit something ....... wot was it ?
dont want to be pedantic but if you aint hit nothing it is a double negative so you have hit something ....... wot was it ?
Lakesailor
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Brain in Gear
What happened to a pragmatic approach? I sail through Bowness Bay on Windermere. It is a matter of honour to me not to give up on the windless windshifts. But I always keep an eye out for the hire put puts, the hire rowing boats, other yachts, MOBOs (not as critical now) and of course Ferries which have right of way as a matter of course. The lake navigation rules insist on it.
I beat up the channel and if a ferry is bearing down on me I will tack away so that he sees my intention, often for just a few yards , then tack back to pass astern. We wave and all is well.
Isn't that how it should be?
What happened to a pragmatic approach? I sail through Bowness Bay on Windermere. It is a matter of honour to me not to give up on the windless windshifts. But I always keep an eye out for the hire put puts, the hire rowing boats, other yachts, MOBOs (not as critical now) and of course Ferries which have right of way as a matter of course. The lake navigation rules insist on it.
I beat up the channel and if a ferry is bearing down on me I will tack away so that he sees my intention, often for just a few yards , then tack back to pass astern. We wave and all is well.
Isn't that how it should be?
BrendanS
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Re: Giving up dinghy racing
One of the problems is lack of experience of other types of craft. Many raggies have no idea how difficult it can be to control some motorboats unless they have at least 4 or 5knts of headway. In same way, many stinkies have no idea what close quarter raggie and dinghy sailing is like, and don't realise that a few inches is regarded as nothing (especially rounding buoys!), and clashes quite common.
It's been suggested on here many times to do a swap weekend, and several have done so, but it would be great to see it happen more often
One of the problems is lack of experience of other types of craft. Many raggies have no idea how difficult it can be to control some motorboats unless they have at least 4 or 5knts of headway. In same way, many stinkies have no idea what close quarter raggie and dinghy sailing is like, and don't realise that a few inches is regarded as nothing (especially rounding buoys!), and clashes quite common.
It's been suggested on here many times to do a swap weekend, and several have done so, but it would be great to see it happen more often
Planty
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Re: Brain in Gear
Hear, Hear, the sound of common sense.
Paul
Hear, Hear, the sound of common sense.
Paul
Planty
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Re: mobos can manoeuvre, and selective recall
If you would like to come and try turning Damn inside 90' by the helm only feel free, anytime. Yes, as I said one can but how does another skipper know any of that?? They Assume, and assume makes an ass of you and me. What if I just assumed he's seen me, he'll tack away in a sec??
I don't expect unimpeded passage, keep good watch, enjoy seeing dinghys racing, but don't expect to have to start playing heave ho with the throttles cos some idiot has just organised a race right across a busy channel and the participants "assume" they have right of way. Is it not them expecting unimpeded passage?? All I ask is caution and a modicum of common which I hope we display at all times in these situations. Not just an assumption that we must be in the wrong??
If you would like to come and try turning Damn inside 90' by the helm only feel free, anytime. Yes, as I said one can but how does another skipper know any of that?? They Assume, and assume makes an ass of you and me. What if I just assumed he's seen me, he'll tack away in a sec??
I don't expect unimpeded passage, keep good watch, enjoy seeing dinghys racing, but don't expect to have to start playing heave ho with the throttles cos some idiot has just organised a race right across a busy channel and the participants "assume" they have right of way. Is it not them expecting unimpeded passage?? All I ask is caution and a modicum of common which I hope we display at all times in these situations. Not just an assumption that we must be in the wrong??
hlb
RIP
Re: Giving up dinghy racing
Nowt to do with it, it's pig ignorance and like it that way cos it suits there perpose. No one minds being curtious, or slowing down for a dinghy race. But the idea that they have right of way over the whole channel or harbour is redicularse!!!!
Nowt to do with it, it's pig ignorance and like it that way cos it suits there perpose. No one minds being curtious, or slowing down for a dinghy race. But the idea that they have right of way over the whole channel or harbour is redicularse!!!!
BrendanS
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Re: Giving up dinghy racing
I said [no thanks] all about that!!! Was commenting on racing experience. Why do people have to keep dragging these discussions down to common denominator rather than facing the fact that not everyone is totally fixated on dinghies in harbours and channels- raggies and dinghies race elsewhere as well
I said [no thanks] all about that!!! Was commenting on racing experience. Why do people have to keep dragging these discussions down to common denominator rather than facing the fact that not everyone is totally fixated on dinghies in harbours and channels- raggies and dinghies race elsewhere as well
Ships_Cat
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Re: Giving up dinghy racing
Many raggies have no idea how difficult it can be to control some motorboats unless they have at least 4 or 5knts of headway.
And it would seem that many raggies who sail small light weight yachts have no idea as to how long it takes to stop larger heavy yachts (and lower powered displacement power boats) when under power and their loss of manouverabilty at slow speeds under power (can be sudden if windy) either. So maybe some raggies could do with some rides on bigger raggie boats too.
Would be nice if we all had the attitudes expressed in LakeSailor's last post.
John
Many raggies have no idea how difficult it can be to control some motorboats unless they have at least 4 or 5knts of headway.
And it would seem that many raggies who sail small light weight yachts have no idea as to how long it takes to stop larger heavy yachts (and lower powered displacement power boats) when under power and their loss of manouverabilty at slow speeds under power (can be sudden if windy) either. So maybe some raggies could do with some rides on bigger raggie boats too.
Would be nice if we all had the attitudes expressed in LakeSailor's last post.
John
hlb
RIP
Re: Giving up dinghy racing
I dont care where they race. Long as it's not my back door. But I would like to see the next wayfarer, lazer or whatever, with a chart, tide table and Tidal curve for the area, all worked out whilst racing, radio'd to aproching vessel and kindly ask them to change course, giving them the information they need. Would take me about half an hour. But then again, I dont carry a tide table some years, or maybe not find it. So decision about moving out of channel might take a week or two. How long we got!!
I dont care where they race. Long as it's not my back door. But I would like to see the next wayfarer, lazer or whatever, with a chart, tide table and Tidal curve for the area, all worked out whilst racing, radio'd to aproching vessel and kindly ask them to change course, giving them the information they need. Would take me about half an hour. But then again, I dont carry a tide table some years, or maybe not find it. So decision about moving out of channel might take a week or two. How long we got!!
BrendanS
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Re: Giving up dinghy racing
Why this fixation with dinghies getting in or out of way in channels, which I didn't mention, nor comment on. I was talking about people having more understanding of other crafts limitations. Ships_Cat understood, judging by his post
Why this fixation with dinghies getting in or out of way in channels, which I didn't mention, nor comment on. I was talking about people having more understanding of other crafts limitations. Ships_Cat understood, judging by his post
