raggies

[derekh]

After a long winter tonight I finally got a the perfect weather for an evening run out. I headed out to sea on the river bann. While passing moored boats I slowed off to my slowest possible speed ie tick over. any slower and i would have been stopped. this plonker ran up and down the pontoon waving his arms and shouting for me to slow down. There are few people more considerate on the water than myself. I always slow down for other craft and fishermen I know the side of the river I should keep to and keep to it unless I am forced to do otherwise by others who don't give a hoot about rules. why is it that some people in yachts think they are the only ones who God gave water rights to ? /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

 

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[Lakesailor]

He was trying to tell you you still had your fenders out!/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[jerryat]

Hi Derek,

I can understand your annoyance and sympathise, but you should have been down on my mooring just an hour ago, where one mobo after another totally ignored the speed limit and powered up the 75 foot wide channel across which youngsters were learning to sail dinghies. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

I owned high-powered sports boats for almost 15 years when I was younger, but even then, wouldn't have dreamt of doing anything so stupid! Christ knows why they HAVE to compete with each other in these circumstances, 'cos that's exactly what it is. As soon as one goes a bit faster and pulls away a little, his 'mate' feels he must do the same, and so on and so on .... /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Having put the raggies view, here's one to make you sit up and think!!! The ONLY mobo who actually came up through the moorings at a steady, safe rate was ................................ wait for it ..........................




Yep, a JET-SKIER!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Brilliant. I took the trouble to jump into the dinghy and nip across to the ramp and tell him we appreciated his consideration. He seemed amazed but very pleased!!! Praps if we all spoke to each other, the perceived 'sides' might disappear?!!!

Cheers Jerry

 

[Mike21]

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I can understand your annoyance and sympathise, but you should have been down on my mooring just an hour ago, where one mobo after another totally ignored the speed limit and powered up the 75 foot wide channel across which youngsters were learning to sail dinghies.

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If the mobo's are ignoring the speed limit, why not have a word with the local harbour authority to see if they can do something about it, in other areas they can be fined for breaching speed limits.


But why teach youngster to sail across what appears to be a busy channel?

 

[DIW]

It really is a shame that the unneccessary 'feuding' between Yotties and Mobo's appears to be gathering momentum again.Why we all can't enjoy our boating, in what ever form it takes, without this continual us, them and those is beyond me.
I have many friends who are Yotties and I don't recall any problems regarding Yotties versus Stinkies except for some lighthearted p--s taking from both sides.
I was informed by a lady Yacht Skipper in Cowes (who had seen me on a friends Yacht) that in her opinion the majority of Motor Boat owners were Brummy Scrap Dealers, Drug Dealers or both. Her rational being that Mobos cost so much they were the only people who could afford them!

 

[Riggy]

Quote[I was informed by a lady Yacht Skipper in Cowes (who had seen me on a friends Yacht) that in her opinion the majority of Motor Boat owners were Brummy Scrap Dealers, Drug Dealers or both. Her rational being that Mobos cost so much they were the only people who could afford them]Quote

And what was your reply pray tell!!!????

 

[jerryat]

Hi Mike,

Yep, we do precisely that normally i.e. a vhf call to the harbour police whose 90hp RIB doesn't take long to get upriver, but today we were more concerned about getting them to slow down at once, and apparently no one called. Won't happen again! The annoying thing is there is a huge designated speed boat area, about half a mile downriver from the moorings which is kept totally clear for water-skiing, towing floats etc etc so we can't see the need to speed through moored boats!

Regarding 'sailing across the channel', I'm afraid it's a function associated with sailing called 'tacking', whereby a sailing boat, not being able to go straight to windward (as a mobo can) sails with the wind on one side until needing to turn and put the wind on the other side, gradually working it's way upwind!

Incidentally, this is not a restricted channel (except towards low water) so there is plenty of room outside the channel where safe passage could be had for such shallow draft boats. The sailing boats, both cruisers and dinghies use the whole width of the river as far as draft allows.

But let's face it, even the dimmest person must be able to see coloured sails moving over water and adjust their approach and speed accordingly. If they can't, should they really be helming a MoBo??

Cheers Jerry

 

[Lakesailor]

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we can't see the need to speed through moored boats!


[/ QUOTE ]Neither can I see people's need to drive past our cottage at 60 or 70mph in a 30mph zone, but they do.
It's because it's a bendy road, they like doing it, and they will do it. They are like your miscreant MOBO pilots. They are thick.

 

[mirage]

I saw a perfect example of why Yotties must be upset with Mobos this afternoon.

I was cruising round from Brixham to Dartmouth at about 28 kts & was approaching a 30' ish yacht under sail head on, I didn't want to go to his port side, too close to the cliffs, so went about 50 yards to his starboard. Just then a 35' mobo who had been following us decided to overtake me on my starboard side, ie between the yacht & us, in doing so he must have passed within about 10' of the yacht, pratt.

 

[l'escargot]

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this plonker ran up and down the pontoon waving his arms and shouting for me to slow down

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How do you know he was a raggie if he was on the pontoon? He could have been left behind and wanted you to give him a lift. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

[ghost]

I agree with your sentiments,
maybe if mobos with sense and understanding would talk to their mates,
it seems that the prime offenders are 'newbies' and just plain ignorant as to the effects of their actions.
Personally I feel that a pre-requisite of the driving license for cars should be that everyone spends six months riding a pushbike- likewise mobos should spend some time in dinghies or small yachts prior to be being let loose.

 

[DIW]

Riggy
Had to disagree with her, told her most Mobo owners were either retired F1 Racing Drivers, Night Club owners or Purveyors of Soft Porn , she appeared to find this more acceptable.

 

[Mike21]

Do know what tacking is as I have managed to get a sailing qualification as well as one for mobo's

But why do you feel that mobo's should go out of the channel so yotties can tack up the channel??, especially small dinghies which have a very shallow draft.
Seem like your suggesting only yotties have a right to use channels.
There are inconsiderate prats on the helms of mobo's who either don't care or don't realise the effect of their wash, just like incosiderate prats on sailing boats who tack across or hold races across channels and expect everyone else to stay out of their way 'cause their sailing

Would have thought that anyone with some sense would realise that holding races across channels , at weekends, especially on bank holidays would be likely to lead to some conflicts

Sorry if a bit strong, but really p***es me off when people seem tosuggest that because they're sailing only they have the right to use the water.

Bit of commonsense on both sides normally solves any problems

 

[Riggy]

DIW, you were obviously very tactful in your rebuttal!!!

 

[derekh]

Answer to Mark _ I passed back this morning he was sitting on the deck of his yacht. I gave him a wave and to my surprise he returned the gesture so I went over to him. I explained that Last PM I was traveling as slow as I could He told me I was kicking up too much wash.
I have covered countless miles traveling from my mooring to the sea via the river bann over the past 20 years. I have never had any problem or complaint from any other boat owner through wake. He told me another boat had passed earlier kicking up excessive wash. Obviously this was his way of getting back at mobo owners.
P.S. There are loads of great raggies out there who get on well with the mobo folk and vice-versa. I was not meaning to generalise /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif But perhaps the ABC yacht clubs would be more neutral if they were ABC boat clubs. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

In many cases, the ColRegs concerning narrow channels might apply. If the mobo can only navigate in the channel due to draft or whatever, then it is the sailing dinghies that should give way to the mobo but few, if any, appreciate this. Then there is also a requirement to stay to the starboard side of the channel which is regularly ignored by many sailing yachts and dinghies
I also think that sailing yachts tacking in a narrow channel are somewhat selfish and irresponsible generally because of the mayhem and confusion it causes and I'm pleased to see that many harbour authorities require yachts to use their engines or at least have them ready for use
IMHO, yotties could do with some education on their responsibilities under the ColRegs in addition to just knowing the power gives way to sail mantra

 

[Riggy]

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I'm a raggie and unfortunately I gotta agree, reminded me of a trip on the tourist boat which motors up and down the Beaulieu River from Bucklers Hard, I took my grandson for a ride on it a couple of weeks ago. Could hardly believe an elderly couple in the cockpit of their sailboat on a mooring shouting at the skipper to slow down and mind his wash - I think there's a breed of crotchety sailor who think moaning about powerboats is part and parcel of being a superior "salty" yottie and they'd consider they'd let the side down if they didn't moan.

Hopefully they're a small band and you won't meet too many more.

Cheers, Brian.

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Quite agree......and the one that 'took the biscuit' for me was last summer, when a really great yotty friend of mine (who has quals' for yotty things and mobo things long as your arm) was coming away from Pandora's Inn, Falmouth, on the engine, and was accused by an "Elitist" yotty on a swinging mooring of giving him 'wash' at four knots!! Even had the balls to report him to the local Harbourmaster, who in turn requested my friend to put his reply to the incident in writing.
Gladly, as you say, these people are a small minority and no reason to tar all raggies with the same brush.

On the other side of the coin tho, I believe a bigger number of moboer's/PWC'ers/ribbers etc, by comparison, are a right pain in the arse through sheer ignorance and thoughtlessness, simply because the numbers of these craft coming on to the water is growing exponentially and NOBODY (until they have upset someone) is guiding them on how to behave on the water.
I also believe that, like the highway code that used to be handed out, in a similar manner harbour authorities/boat sales people should have some responsibilty in educating newcomers to the water. I know that there are pamphlets printed on this subject but not enough seems to be being done to educate these people.

 

[ccscott49]

You are going to always have inconsiderate people on both types of boats! Cant be helped, no matter how much you educate peeps, they have to want to learn. But without doubt and lets face it, powerboats produce a bunch of wash, its the nature of the craft. I try to be considerate aswell, but sometimes it doesn't work, you will have some prat shouting at you or somebody rocking hell out of the boat at anchor or elsewhere, I know it well, Englander rolls on wet grass!!

 

[Lakesailor]

Yes, some boats are very tender where wash and chop is concerned. I notice that yachts moored on bouys with their keels up and tillers left unlashed seem worse. And of course some of the older GRP 'tubs' with little skeg keels do seem a bit rollsome.
There will always be people who complain. If you rowed past too fast in your tender they would complain. Maybe the people on the moorings who complain have just come down to sit on their boats in the sun and see no reason why they should be disturbed.
All you can do is be considerate and hope that others are. Report those who are obviously being dangerous and let those who are oversensitive get on with it. As seems the case, you can't please 'em.
Everyone believes they are right.