Project OBD!!!!!!! ( Norman 32 refurb )

[Bigplumbs]

Have you got space on your driveway

 

[snowbird30ds]

I assume some pretty chunky stringers across the new section to keep the structure good.

 

[waynes world]

hm, so even longer then!

how about a 42ft version:

That doesnt look far off Vas. Can i sa y your a bloody genius streching it like that. I just cant do these things even when i have the programs to do it. Head is no good at PC burbel.

In that pic then it looks a little short. In the original the cabon top edge is 7 foot long. Can you do it again with the cabin9 foot longer and rear deck 3 foot longer please.

Jist to see what it will look like.

 

[waynes world]

Have you got space on your driveway

I have 47 foot of space so 44 is all i can go to giving a few feet spare.

 

[waynes world]

I assume some pretty chunky stringers across the new section to keep the structure good.

Yes. The reason i will be wanting to raise the roof aswell. It be be braced along the cut as on last page but also stingers, maybe 50x50 along the floor and 25x25 along the roof.
The keel will be braced with SS plates / U channel wrapped around it then bolted through it 450mm either side of the cut one its all laminated up.

 

[waynes world]

Wayne, not saying its impossible but one hell of a job making it fit neat and strong, Are you fabricating the new hull section or cutting out a section from a donor boat.

Oh yes i agree. Complete barmy idea ��. Its what keeps me ticking. I am looking into 23 and 26 foot versions to atleast use the hull section maybe. If ot i will just remake it all myself using PIR foam.sheet as an inner moulding. Lay up on that then remove to brace it up add stingers etc

 

[vas]

OK, I've not bothered figuring out sizes when I did the pshop work, so filenames are way off (and I cannot really rename them as it will break previous posts...).
Just roughly measured them, and it looks like they are what I've put in the description above each photo.
Means that dingy is around 10ft, is that correct?

32ft original:

circa 34ft:

circa 37ft:

circa 40ft:

circa 43ft:

if you need any other variation just gimme a shout!

V.

 

[waynes world]

My god V, that is amazing how you do that. Time like this i was a whiz with tech aswell.

Thanks for that :encouragement:. Yes the dinghy is a ten footer so they look very close.

I have just emailed East Coast Fibreglass with my mad cap plan to see what they think and any advice they can give on it.

Now i see the picture V the more i want to do it. Not many 44 foot canal cruisers about.

 

[jfm]

Wayne I think this is a great idea. Cut and shut extension of a GRP hull, particularly where it has a prism form, is a good idea. The technical aspects of bonding the joint are fine- completely do-able. Grp is a great material for this. I have Grp mouldings on my boats (including current boat) that I have had cut and shut to extend them, invisibly and perfectly structurally (not the hull, but the principle is the same).

But- you should do this first not last, so find out if you can get a rear steer artic. Do a crowd fund or something

 

[waynes world]

Wayne I think this is a great idea. Cut and shut extension of a GRP hull, particularly where it has a prism form, is a good idea. The technical aspects of bonding the joint are fine- completely do-able. Grp is a great material for this. I have Grp mouldings on my boats (including current boat) that I have had cut and shut to extend them, invisibly and perfectly structurally (not the hull, but the principle is the same).

But- you should do this first not last, so find out if you can get a rear steer artic. Do a crowd fund or something

Hi fella

Got to love a chap as mad as me, not many about nowadays. A lot of folk have been saying its no doable but i am so sure it is if done correctly. And as you agree, well say no more.

And to move it here it will et in but not get out once 44 foot. So you may of missed but it will be cut and shut here and part fitted out, all but for the galley where the cut is. Extension will be added to the front of the rear section and then moved in two halves to be completed at a boat yard/marina then finally finish the fitting out..

I could do a crowd fund though, say i need to move my living accommadation or i am homeless as my wife has kicked me out........ah but that would be understandable by most folk that know me.

 

[jfm]

It’s definitely doable Wayne. Definitely. Just as one example of many, see this YouTube. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SS4i94W9bJw

Point is, you can stick new fibreglass to old and make a perfect “ weld” provided you are super careful and do it right.

I see your plan to build in two halves but I still think much better to do hull extension complete first then fit out one boat. If you can do the transport, of course.

 

[waynes world]

It’s definitely doable Wayne. Definitely. Just as one example of many, see this YouTube. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SS4i94W9bJw

Point is, you can stick new fibreglass to old and make a perfect “ weld” provided you are super careful and do it right.

I see your plan to build in two halves but I still think much better to do hull extension complete first then fit out one boat. If you can do the transport, of course.

I am still.waiting for replies from crane/transport companies to see if they can get down with an artic. If not i will have no choice to do half then move in to sections. Or as another thought. Fit it out when cut then move it to a yard and weld it up and finish the galley
That way could go longer.

 

[kashurst]

Wayne, you mentioned building a trolley to put the boat on/cut it in half etc. If you make the trolley steerable, could you and some big mates push the completed boat on the trolley down your road to a point where a suitable truck/crane can pick it up?

 

[burgundyben]

Transport is doable - see here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI7uSjPhCU0&t=36s

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Holy crap Don't fancy trying to get that under a bridge.

 

[burgundyben]

Holy crap Don't fancy trying to get that under a bridge.

Funny you should say that, had a mare getting one of mine through a tunnel a year back.

 

[waynes world]

It would be cheaper to get a Chinook to drop it in the garden ha ha


Anyway, great news the company i used to move it last time got in touch at last, They can do it with a Artic low loader. Excellent, made life a load easier and better for the build. And at same price as last time at £65ph rate.

Just to sort what i want to do about the telephone wires that come from the corner of the garden across the whole garden. Cost a bit to get somebody to drop them for an hour.

 

[waynes world]

Hi all, hope is going well now winter is upon us. For me its slow as for some reason work had picked up on the Wayne Boat works. Which i am happy about as all goes into the boat funds for this.

Sooooo then

I believe i am deloooded, thick and stupid for even thinking about stretching a boat. And some that was from a Marine Engineer, i just about it. Like the stubborn sod i am until i am told the reason and and why it will not work. Nobody ahs yet but it will have as much structure as a sausage.


So not giving up yet with a negative comments while driving around the 12hrs i do, so plenty of time to faff in my head i have thoughts pop in my head all the time.

Many years ago had a 26 foot cruiser that i was about to extend the rear deck by 8 foot.


Why i didnt think of the way i planned that to extend the Norman the same way. My plan was to make a mould from the stern section of the hull only. This is then moved to the stern of the original hull but over lap by around 300mm and screwed down and braced all around etc to hold the mould in place.

So the idea is to laminate the mould up and over lap the original transom by say 100mm all around. So this way the new hull stern section will be bonded to the original transom and bolted also to give more peace of mind.

So that is the hull done, so onto the top section, here it will of been cut and removed before hand of the hulls section being done. So just the rear deck section will be moved back the the gap in the middle filled in and windows resett in place.

EASY

See looks great


The reason behind this way of doing it is that it will only have one cut, or section as unlike the cut n shut where there will be two. And the top section is on top as all i can describe is as bricks are laid in a brick stretcher pattern so this give more support/strength.







Not to sure on the mould thickness yet but quick ork out i plan o 4 lams of 600grm CSM to give a thickness rough;y of 6mm with braces bonded in to keep it straight as possible. Although i could get away maybe with a three 450grm CSM to reduce cost and weight on the one of mould.


I have been thinking on making a plug mould from timber and ply etc etc to save on the £000 in GRP materials but i will get a better finihs quicker if i use the boat to make the female mould.

Cost to make the extension using a mould from the boat is around £1500 in materials. That sound s lot yes. Now if you see what a good shell of 38 foot, being the largest inland narrow beam cruiser, goes for is around £3k and thus cost me £1200 with engine i am not doing to bad for a 44 footer spec built.


So that was a quickly i have been thinking on


All best to you all

Admiral Faffer.

 

[Croftie]

Well if you remember I was a little skeptical of the cut n shut then adding a centre section but your idea of adding length to the rear sounds a much more sensible plan. Go for it.

 

[waynes world]

Well if you remember I was a little skeptical of the cut n shut then adding a centre section but your idea of adding length to the rear sounds a much more sensible plan. Go for it.

Yep i remember, I cant believe i forgot about this way to do an extension, i kicked myself as i still have the notes i made in my sketchbook, my old one thugh, an dcant believe i found it as its been in the shed for 10 years lol. Over thinking things does not do any good at times.