Photography

[boatone]

Great, thats very helpfull, I thought I read differently on the PLA website, obviously I misunderstood. Glad I asked now, it was painfull, but got there in the end ;-)

If you had, or would care to, posted or pointed us to the specific information on the PLA website we might have been able to understand the reason for your question?

Even now, I doubt that anything you have told us or any of the answers you have received are adequate confirmation of anything !

 

[vjmehra]

Okay, lets start again....

What information in particular do you feel I have not given you?

 

[Captain Coochie]

Well you havnt actually given any information have you . Just i might be here and maybe doing this . It took two pages to find out that you where actually on the river and not just on PLA land and we still dont know if it was you that took a frigging picture !

 

[vjmehra]

Its a hypothetical scenario, no pictures have been taken.

Post 9 said it was on the river.

It would really be helpfull if you told me what information I am ommiting, rather than constantly saying I'm not giving you enough information.

 

[Captain Coochie]

Its a hypothetical scenario, no pictures have been taken.

Post 9 said it was on the river.

It would really be helpfull if you told me what information I am ommiting, rather than constantly saying I'm not giving you enough information.

Are you for real ?
If you can tell us how long a peice of string is we will answer all your hypothetical questions

 

[Chris_d]

Lets be honest why are you asking? it sounds like you are asking because you intend to take a picture either deliberately or accidently whilst out on the river which will susequently be published. To avoid the pla fee you will claim it was not for commercial use when taken, if this is not true why ask

 

[vjmehra]

Essentially I'm curious to know if I take a picture, can I send it into a magazine and if they choose to publish it without paying me, would I have done anything wrong?

Of course they may not even publish it, I just want to be sure that I'm not breaking any rules.

 

[Mark-1]

I really can't see that you deserve any stick whatsoever vjmehra. I don't know the answer but your question seems clear enough to me.

I can't answer your question but there may be people, who like me, weren't aware of the seemingly rather strange policy, stated on the PLA's website:

All filming activity (and all commercial still photography) on the tidal Thames requires a filming licence. This includes ALL filming involving boats and vessels and filming on piers and other structures in the River.

http://www.pla.co.uk/display_fixedpage.cfm/id/4051/site/pla

 

[Captain Coochie]

I really can't see that you deserve any stick whatsoever vjmehra. I don't know the answer but your question seems clear enough to me.

I can't answer your question but there may be people, who like me, weren't aware of the seemingly rather strange policy, stated on the PLA's website:

All filming activity (and all commercial still photography) on the tidal Thames requires a filming licence. This includes ALL filming involving boats and vessels and filming on piers and other structures in the River.

http://www.pla.co.uk/display_fixedpage.cfm/id/4051/site/pla

Thats for the likes of James frigging bond films not some twit with a camera phone . Jesus are people really this stupid ?

 

[vjmehra]

Apparently so.

I may well be said twit with a camera phone, but I don't see the harm in me asking a question on a subject that I am not familiar with.

The link Mark posted is the one that confused me, it implies (or so I thought), that any photography would require a permit, hence my question.

I think, Cuchilo in your own unique way, you are saying this is not the case...

Thanks for the Moral support btw Mark-1!

 

[CJL]

Any commercial photography (payment or reward) needs a permit from the PLA.

And they do stop boats with pro-looking photographers/camera men onboard.

Not really fair in my opinion but that's life!

Personal stuff is cool in the gang.

Chris

 

[Captain Coochie]

Ok this has nothing to do with the river now its about needing to inform the local authority about youre intention in setting up a set . You are now planning to take over an area for whatever reason so of course you will need to apply for that .
The PLA and every other authority just dont want film crews turning up with lighting rigs etc and taking over the place .

 

[CJL]

Ok this has nothing to do with the river now its about needing to inform the local authority about youre intention in setting up a set . You are now planning to take over an area for whatever reason so of course you will need to apply for that .
The PLA and every other authority just dont want film crews turning up with lighting rigs etc and taking over the place .

One pro camera man doesn't equate to the disturbance your talking about.

Its about revenue generation on this smaller one man with a camera type stuff. The one man we had ended up with footage on the BBC/ITV and lots in New Zealand.

In the case of the PLA there are additional fees payable for setting up the large scale sets, boom cams etc.

CJL

 

[st599]

As has been said, if you are taking photos in a public area of events in a public area that's fine, there is no right to privacy in a public space.

If you're taking photos from a public place of a private place, that's ok provided that the person didn't have an expectation of privacy. E.g., if you go to Westfield in London, you may be filmed going in and out by trainees from the BBC who are stood on the pavement. This is ok legally. However zooming in through windows etc. isn't.

In all cases you can't obstruct people.

If you're in a private place (such as actually on Westfield's land, a privately owned park etc) then it is up to the owner. You need to be careful e.g. Green Park in London charges £600 for tripod use, Canary Wharf is all private roads and requires permits.

So to answer the question, if you're shooting from a bridge which is part of the Queen's Highway, there is little they can do. If you're on PLA land you'll need a permit. If you're on the river then Riparian Rights give the PLA ownership, so again you'll find you need a permit.

 

[Lakesailor]

I think you'd be hard pressed to argue Riparian Rights

The Environment Agency lists the riparian rights and duties in England and Wales:[2]

Rights:

ownership of the land up to the centre of the watercourse - unless it is known to be owned by someone else
right for water to flow onto your land in its natural quantity and quality
right to protect property from flooding, and land from erosion (but subject to approval by the Agency)
right to fish in the watercourse - however this right may be sold or leased, and a fisherman must have a valid Environment Agency rod licence.
right to acquire accretion
right to boomage

covered a boat on a Right of Navigation.
More bully-boy tactics. It's not like a Royal Park where you are actually stood on their land.

 

[CJL]

You need to be careful e.g. Green Park in London charges £600 for tripod use, Canary Wharf is all private roads and requires permits.

Ouch!!!

 

[vjmehra]

I was thinking of standing with a camera, no tripod, no boom, so it sounds like I should be okay!

 

[Halcyon Daze]

Hi

Here is a link to Copyright info for photographers

http://libraryonline.leedsmet.ac.uk/sys.files/guides/photographs_copyright_guidelines.pdf

Some things to consider

If you are stood on a public right of way such as a bridge or pavement you can take images of whatever you want legally.This is how Paparazzi are able to function.

If however you are on private property then clearly you need the property owner’s permission to shoot images and to sell.

If the images are of general land / cityscape or buildings you should be ok.

If they are of a very distinct building owned by some one then you might well need a property release form signed by the owners to be able to sell for commercial purposes.Especially if the image is showing what is considered to be a brand. Brands however can be removed in editing!

If you have images of recognisable people which have been shot from a place of public right of way you may sell them for editorial purposes only.

Street scenes or crowds in a background should be ok especially if out of focus

To sell people images for commercial purposes will require a signed model release from each recognisable person in the image.

Editorial images are of the type used to embellish a magazine or newspaper article.

Commercial images are such as are seen in a magazine or billboard advert directly selling a product.

Hope that helps you catogorise your image. photography copyright can be a bit of a can of worms