Orca attack

[Goldie]

- if sailors can’t find a solution to this new challenge which then there’s always Ryanair!

Out of interest, has flow of boats in and out of the Med dried up?

Have you tried checking in 12 tons and 40ft of grp on Ryanair? It’s expensive enough for 20kg of luggage! As for the flow of boats, I don’t know but I’ll be heading that way myself in a week or so so fingers crossed!

 

[Graham376]

Out of interest, has flow of boats in and out of the Med dried up?

Left Algarve 2 weeks ago but up until then, seemed much quieter so far this year. Marine Traffic AIS showing very few small boats from Gib Bay to Cadiz. MarineTraffic: Global Ship Tracking Intelligence | AIS Marine Traffic

 

[25931]

I wasn’t aware of the enormity of the traps. I really can’t understand how the Orca can be blamed for their behaviour in the areas of the traps, rather like me looking through the window of a room and seeing a large plate of fresh cream eclairs stacked high on a plate set on a table in the middle of a locked room.

Orcas / dolphins / whales have been around forever, there have always been infrequent attacks on small boats, some recorded, some suspected but not recorded.. I agree The recent spate of attacks are worrying but as I mentioned previously, it’s their playpen and suggestions to kill or cull are, imo, well wide of the mark and sailors need to tailor their passage plans to circumvent the dodgy Orca areas I think it’s been suggested there are inshore routes or African side routes which might require a less direct passage plan than the traditional and obvious one but so what - why the rush? Speaking for myself sailing is all about the challenges thrown up on passage and this is just one fresh challenge - if sailors can’t find a solution to this new challenge which then there’s always Ryanair!

Out of interest, has flow of boats in and out of the Med dried up?

I wasn’t aware of the enormity of the traps. I really can’t understand how the Orca can be blamed for their behaviour in the areas of the traps, rather like me looking through the window of a room and seeing a large plate of fresh cream eclairs stacked high on a plate set on a table in the middle of a locked room.

Orcas / dolphins / whales have been around forever, there have always been infrequent attacks on small boats, some recorded, some suspected but not recorded.. I agree The recent spate of attacks are worrying but as I mentioned previously, it’s their playpen and suggestions to kill or cull are, imo, well wide of the mark and sailors need to tailor their passage plans to circumvent the dodgy Orca areas I think it’s been suggested there are inshore routes or African side routes which might require a less direct passage plan than the traditional and obvious one but so what - why the rush? Speaking for myself sailing is all about the challenges thrown up on passage and this is just one fresh challenge - if sailors can’t find a solution to this new challenge which then there’s always Ryanair!

Out of interest, has flow of boats in and out of the Med dried up?

Enormity is the correct noun if, as has been alleged, tunny stocks have been halved.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

They are getting further up the coast.

Ailing orca stuck in France’s River Seine to be lured to sea using drone with loudspeakers

 

[capnsensible]

Left Algarve 2 weeks ago but up until then, seemed much quieter so far this year. Marine Traffic AIS showing very few small boats from Gib Bay to Cadiz. MarineTraffic: Global Ship Tracking Intelligence | AIS Marine Traffic

Over the last few weeks there have been lots arriving in the Straits on the annual migration back from the cartibean. This thread has prompted me to look quite often.

 

[capnsensible]

Enormity is the correct noun if, as has been alleged, tunny stocks have been halved.

Atlantic bluefin tuna stocks have been in decline gor decades due to overfishing.

In season there are nets set daily all up the costs del sol. Quite a hazard. Across the North African coast its much the same. I've encountered them off Algeria and Tunisia. Also between Spain and Italy I've seen drift nets many miles longer tihan their lawful limits. Clearly some nations don't care much for fish conservation.

In twenty or so years of sailing through the Straits I have seen a decline in the quantity and length of the centuries old traditional fish trap sites. Some of these date back to phonecian times. There was a most excellent museum of tuna fishing on the Dock in barbatte but was rarely visited and didn't last long. Maybe one day it will be replaced with a museum of drug smuggling as this is now more prominent than fishing....

There is an obvious and easy way yo deal with rogue animals. Quite why people are so squirmy about it is beyond me. I prefer live people to bloaty bass.

 

[capnsensible]

The decline in tuna is easily googled for those who wish to be better informed prior to opinion shaping.

 

[RobbieW]

We came across the remnants of the old tuna fisheries all around Sardinia, Sicily, Malta and Tunisia. There was a museum in st. Paul's bay on Malta, the guardian put the decline in the trap fisheries down to hi tech tuna ships operating around the straits in the 60s. The trap in st Paul's used to occupy most of the town, now it's a tuna farm owned by the Japanese and employs one or two families. I think the fish go into the black sea to breed/spawn

 

[RAI]

Fishtek pingers operate at a frequency of 40kHz

- W

Maybe they are using this source
All About Killer Whales - Senses | SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment.

 

[webcraft]

Maybe they are using this source
All About Killer Whales - Senses | SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment.

They are designed to deter dolphins, but tuna fishermen also allegedly use them to deter orca.

(Which are the largest of the dolphin family , btw, before this argument starts again )


- W

 

[capnsensible]

Another picture.

 

[Wansworth]

Alhamdraba……traditional tuna fishing net/trap used since Phoenician times

 

[BurnitBlue]

Another picture.

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If the Marine associations and study groups do realise that the Tuna nets and traps are the source of the Orca attacks, we will never hear of it

All this massive tackle and the involvement of foriegn interests mean that this may be big business so it will be an economic decision to keep quiet. A handfull of yachts are understandebly peripheral victims. I forget the military word for this unintended consequence. Blue on Blue? If that is the case then we are on our own. Don't expect. Official help if the solution is to remove the nets and traps..

In a way, I hope it is not the nets and traps as the real reason for the attacks. Hopefully something a lot simpler which can be fixed. Those nets are here to stay.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

If the Marine associations and study groups do realise that the Tuna nets and traps are the source of the Orca attacks, we will never hear of it

All this massive tackle and the involvement of foriegn interests mean that this may be big business so it will be an economic decision to keep quiet. A handfull of yachts are understandebly peripheral victims. I forget the military word for this unintended consequence. Blue on Blue? If that is the case then we are on our own. Don't expect. Official help if the solution is to remove the nets and traps..

In a way, I hope it is not the nets and traps as the real reason for the attacks. Hopefully something a lot simpler which can be fixed. Those nets are here to stay.

Collateral damage is the term you are looking for.

 

[BurnitBlue]

Collateral damage is the term you are looking for.

That's the one, thanks.

 

[chrishscorp]

They are getting further up the coast.

Ailing orca stuck in France’s River Seine to be lured to sea using drone with loudspeakers

Complete waste of time, what they want is a spare boat rudder and dangle it over the side of a rib, lure it out that way

 

[cherod]

That's the one, thanks.

Collateral damage is the term you are looking for.

Only if it your own troops who are killing the innocent , if it is the enemy then the term is terrorisim / war crime / atrocities / murder etc etc ,,, take your pick

 

[RobbieW]

Cut & paste from Facebook...

The Cruising Association has today launched an online platform in partnership with Groupo Trabajo Orca Atlantica (GTOA - Atlantic Orca Working Group) to record orca interactions along the Iberian Peninsula.

Find out more and please support this research by registering a report if you have an orca interaction or an uneventful passage at https://www.theca.org.uk/orcas

Information and reporting forms are available in English, French, Portuguese and Spanish

 

[Goldie]

I transited from Portugal to near Rota and then hugged the shore all the way to Gibraltar a couple of days ago. I’m delighted to report that no orcas were seen nor any VHF reports of sightings/interactions/attacks heard.

Friends who took an alternative strategy by going out into deep water and going in via the shipping lanes were successful n avoiding orcas, but had a very frightening encounter with nefarious characters in RIBs.

 

[dunedin]

Cut & paste from Facebook...

The Cruising Association News announcement …. CA and Groupo Trabajo Orca Atlantica launch partnership to record orca interactions along the Iberian Peninsula | CA