cherod
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I dont know of any cruisuing yachtsmen “ making a living “ , perhaps you might like to elaborate ?In what way are cruising yachtsmen "making a living"
I dont know of any cruisuing yachtsmen “ making a living “ , perhaps you might like to elaborate ?In what way are cruising yachtsmen "making a living"
5. Nuke the village....When we were cycling in France, my wife was knocked off her bike and bitten by an alsatian (we were just cycling on the road through a perfectly normal village), which also raised some rabies fears, should we,
1. Cull all dogs,
2. Cull all Alsatians
3. Cull all French dogs,
4. Just cull that dog?
We did.I dont know of any cruisuing yachtsmen “ making a living “ , perhaps you might like to elaborate ?
Not suggesting anything if the sort , what an extraordinary miss interpretation , i wonder why ?
“ someone “ does in no way imply every oneYou said - apparently it is ok for someone from one part of the world to move into another part of the world and start killing off the wildlife so that they can “ make a living “
I replied - I find that reply ill informed, suggesting the complainants are all immigrants and totally ignoring the view of the many sailing/boating citizens of the countries concerned, who want to see a small number of orcas culled.
How is my reply a misinterpretation of your statement that immigrants are the problem?
It depends on the circumstances, but dogs that have (unprovoked) attacked and bitten people are often euthanised. Dangerous breeds that are frequently involved in attacks have been banned in some areas.When we were cycling in France, my wife was knocked off her bike and bitten by an alsatian (we were just cycling on the road through a perfectly normal village), which also raised some rabies fears, should we,
1. Cull all dogs,
2. Cull all Alsatians
3. Cull all French dogs,
4. Just cull that dog?
Probably the same humanity despising idiots that think it cute to have wolves reintroduced in the woods where little children used to play.Moroccan fishermen come from...Morocco. Spanish fishermen come from....Spain. These are the two countries bordering the Straits. Of course there is Gibraltar where British Citizens live, work and play.
What kind of upbringing do people have that they can criticise the actions of people 1500 miles or more away from the comfort of their armchair who are defending humans from rogue animals?
The hypocrisy is absolutely amazing.
British people in Gibraltar. Not good at geography?Morrocans are from Morroco , spanish are from Spain, what a wonderful insight into the demographics of the area
, and english yachtsmen are from england but still want to dictate local practices , i suppose thats the type of hypocrisies from those who cant see the bigger picture .
“ someone “ does in no way imply every one. From what i read on here it is mostly the passing cruisers doing the complaining , according to one poster , incomer , it is the local wild life that is the problem , what nxt , the indiginous population ?
Indeed it's abundantly clear that some posters have no idea whatsoever about the scale of the problem. Dozens of ports and marinas. Thousands of yacht, many thousands of people. Who knows how many Small Moroccan small craft hand lining. Plus of course hundreds and hundreds of yacht and their crews passing backwards and forwards through the Straits.Maybe it hasn't occurred to you that what you read here is because it's an English speaking forum, hardly surprising it's not frequented by French, Portuguese, Spanish and Moroccan only speakers. My wife being a citizen, many of our sailing/boating friends are also Portuguese citizens and I can assure you they are very vociferous about wanting something done about the problem.
When we leave the Ria, whether heading east or west, we're immediately sailing in the Tuna migration area and several boats have been attacked within a couple of miles of here. If that happened on your sailing area, I think your attitude would be very different.
Coupla things...Indeed it's abundantly clear that some posters have no idea whatsoever about the scale of the problem. Dozens of ports and marinas. Thousands of yacht, many thousands of people. Who knows how many Small Moroccan small craft hand lining. Plus of course hundreds and hundreds of yacht and their crews passing backwards and forwards through the Straits.
Still, 1500 miles away, I'm all right Jack.....
Indeed it's abundantly clear that some posters have no idea whatsoever about the scale of the problem. Dozens of ports and marinas. Thousands of yacht, many thousands of people. Who knows how many Small Moroccan small craft hand lining. Plus of course hundreds and hundreds of yacht and their crews passing backwards and forwards through the Straits.
Still, 1500 miles away, I'm all right Jack.....
On leisure sailors, there are routes which are shown to be safer. As Orca have a history of fads, qv wearing fish on thier heads in the NW Pacific, which last a finite time, it is likely the current fad of interfering with yachts rudders will also disappear over time. It may be inconvenient but surely using those safer routes for now is the way to go ?
As you know, I'm no stranger to those waters but not sailing there currently. There are also reports here from frequent users who have not had problems, are they just lucky or do they play the odds and use the suggested routing ?
No, no, you've completely missed the point, any animal that even threatens to inconvenience a human must be instantly destroyed.Stop cycling? Wear greaves? Change wife?
I agree with you - research and non - lethal techniques. Some here, however, advocate culling or the introduction of untried techniques that are medieval design/ of unknown effectiveness or may cause serious injuries or a lingering death.I am not sure that culling even a very small number of orcas is justified at this stage. They are magnificent mammals, and I abhor cruelty to animals. Personally, I would like to see other non lethal measures properly trialled, but it is not right to suggest that a cull of the very small number of mammals (10-15) that are endangering human life is unprecedented, or that serious consideration of this option is ludicrous.
This problem needs to be solved both for the long term good of the orcas as well as humans. If this behaviour spreads more drastic measures will be needed in the future.
Nice try, but whilst the number of people on the water may be large, the number of significant attacks is tiny in comparison.Indeed it's abundantly clear that some posters have no idea whatsoever about the scale of the problem. Dozens of ports and marinas. Thousands of yacht, many thousands of people. Who knows how many Small Moroccan small craft hand lining. Plus of course hundreds and hundreds of yacht and their crews passing backwards and forwards through the Straits.
Still, 1500 miles away, I'm all right Jack.....
On the Iberian peninsula there's history...“what nxt , the indiginous population ?