New marinas in the Uk

[jac]

With the correct set up they don't need to be, some shoreside facilities and a 7 day a week 12hr water taxi included in the mooring fee as a minimum would see many move from marina to mooring.

That's fair - we have a river mooring on the Hamble and it's maybe 5 minutes in a launch from the club so get car parking, facilities etc and several £k cheaper than local marinas. Not sure how much demand there is for 7 day a week water taxis. River Hamble which must be one of the most crowded stretches of water in the UK has 1, but at weekends and BH's that's supplemented by multiple club launches to cater for demand. I suspect that less densely populated rivers / harbours would struggle to justify 7 day a week water taxi outside of school holidays.

 

[ylop]

That's fair - we have a river mooring on the Hamble and it's maybe 5 minutes in a launch from the club so get car parking, facilities etc and several £k cheaper than local marinas. Not sure how much demand there is for 7 day a week water taxis. River Hamble which must be one of the most crowded stretches of water in the UK has 1, but at weekends and BH's that's supplemented by multiple club launches to cater for demand. I suspect that less densely populated rivers / harbours would struggle to justify 7 day a week water taxi outside of school holidays.

Linnhe Marine, which is a totally different scale to the Hamble, operate a lovely set up. When the staff are there they will happily taxi you. When they are not there, you can use a communal boat (which does add a little extra faff as you need to tow it to/from the pontoon). And of course, you can use your own dinghy too. If they can make this work for the number of users they have it should be possible with bigger places too.

 

[Wansworth]

Great job for a young person in school hols

 

[boomerangben]

There has been a number of new marinas in the outer Hebrides in the past few years. They are being built, but perhaps not where you want them to be

 

[andsarkit]

There has been a big expansion at Noss on the Dart with commercial and residential buildings along with more pontoons.
Noss. I rather miss the old Philips yard building which has now gone.

 

[Mudisox]

There has been a big expansion at Noss on the Dart with commercial and residential buildings along with more pontoons.
Noss. I rather miss the old Philips yard building which has now gone.
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And it is not just the increase in berths that have happened but a large Barn of a place to store smaller boats for "lift in/out". I would estimate that in conjunction with the similar set up further up the river at Blackness the available berths has doubled over over the last 10 years. Of course the River doesn't need constant dredging however.

 

[Praxinoscope]

If Aberaeron were (God forbid) converted to a marina we could possibly house almost double the current number of boats moored from 70 to about 130, but the cost of converting the harbour to a marina woukd be astronomical and unlikely to see a return on investment for 30-40 years.
It would also have a maximum exit/entry time of approximately 2hrs before to 2hrs after HW at best, with several neap tides a year when there would be insufficient water for anything but shallow draft boats to access.
Add this to the situation where for the past couple of years we have had several vacant moorings, and the difficulty of containing tge river when in heavy flood, it looks as if Aberaeron will for some time remain as it is with fore & aft moorings.

 

[Minchsailor]

There has been a number of new marinas in the outer Hebrides in the past few years. They are being built, but perhaps not where you want them to be

Those 'marinas' are often little more than pontoons, with indifferent shelter and facilties; certain by south coast standards. They would give my Hamble friends the heeby jeebies.......

 

[Supertramp]

The balance of environmental, local and financial interests has to be right. And the financial probably require property development.

Barrow has a lot of old docks. And Holyhead could be rebuilt. Pwllheli has an inner harbour area. There are many other old or still used harbours around the coast. Ireland seems to have done this much better than the UK.

 

[nicho]

I think there is a demand for berths from smaller boats, sub £5k ballpark. However, the new boats in my marina are all modern +40’ers; and a waiting list. The marina owner is planning on doubling capacity to fill the space. They also squeezed in a 16% increase this year and no one walked away.

I think mooring demand will increase as new pensioners decide to manage costs and realise that they do not need a marina. Then again the next wave of retirees have ridden the tail winds of baby boomers and may have the cash for marina convenience.

Some in the government fear that we aint seen anything yet in cost increases.

16% - where’s the justification in that? Very little in the way of goods/services to be bought in, and in Premiers case, we pay for our own electricity. Staff costs (might go up 5%) and contractors costs may have risen, but 16% is outrageous. No idea what Premiere Marinas increase will be, but I am expecting an (unjustified) 10% hike for annual berthing. Anything less will be a bonus.

 

[RunAgroundHard]

16% - where’s the justification in that? Very little in the way of goods/services to be bought in, and in Premiers case, we pay for our own electricity. Staff costs (might go up 5%) and contractors costs may have risen, but 16% is outrageous. No idea what Premiere Marinas increase will be, but I am expecting an (unjustified) 10% hike for annual berthing. Anything less will be a bonus.

It is all relative my friend, forget about the percentage. Premier at Gosport is £8388 for a 41' yacht with online discount. My annual fees are less than £5k with a full service, all weather security marina in Scotland with an ongoing programme of upgrades. We have a chandlers, bar, restaurant, laundry, good parking, travel hoist, electricity and water, hard standing, work shop facilities and the usual contractors available for engines, GRP, rigging, electrics et cetera. I also have early bird and loyalty discount credited to to my account annually which I use to lift the lift the boat out, so no travel hoist costs. Totally different price schedule from the south coast.

 

[nicho]

It is all relative my friend, forget about the percentage. Premier at Gosport is £8388 for a 41' yacht with online discount. My annual fees are less than £5k with a full service, all weather security marina in Scotland with an ongoing programme of upgrades. We have a chandlers, bar, restaurant, laundry, good parking, travel hoist, electricity and water, hard standing, work shop facilities and the usual contractors available for engines, GRP, rigging, electrics et cetera. I also have early bird and loyalty discount credited to to my account annually which I use to lift the lift the boat out, so no travel hoist costs. Totally different price schedule from the south coast.

Ah, I get it - we are in Port Solent, current price £6670 with early payment discount for 10.6 metres. No word on proposed increase, but nothing will surprise me.

 

[Praxinoscope]

16% - where’s the justification in that? Very little in the way of goods/services to be bought in, and in Premiers case, we pay for our own electricity. Staff costs (might go up 5%) and contractors costs may have risen, but 16% is outrageous. No idea what Premiere Marinas increase will be, but I am expecting an (unjustified) 10% hike for annual berthing. Anything less will be a bonus.

16% 'peanuts' our council has just upped mooring fees by 30% with the forecast of 25% each year for the next 4 years.
Council supply no electricity/water(club provides these) just the cross chains for or risers to attach.

 

[jac]

Ah, I get it - we are in Port Solent, current price £6670 with early payment discount for 10.6 metres. No word on proposed increase, but nothing will surprise me.

We were out at a former boatyard on the Hamble for the winter so i looked out of interest. For 11m £8k plus some change if paid in full in advance. We used to keep previous same size boat there ( albeit 10 years ago and before smartened up) for 1/2 that.

 

[Wansworth]

16% 'peanuts' our council has just upped mooring fees by 30% with the forecast of 25% each year for the next 4 years.
Council supply no electricity/water(club provides these) just the cross chains for or risers to attach.

That’s going to put the punters off

 

[Praxinoscope]

That’s going to put the punters off

We don't have a waiting list and several of us are now considering giving up the boat.
Talk about idiots, our council specialises in dimwits on the council who employ dimwits in as officials.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

We don't have a waiting list and several of us are now considering giving up the boat.
Talk about idiots, our council specialises in dimwits on the council who employ dimwits in as officials.

It seems a common problem in local government. We are very fortunate here on the Isle of wight that the council have nothing to do with harbours. Look what they managed with the Cowes chain ferry.

 

[Wansworth]

We don't have a waiting list and several of us are now considering giving up the boat.
Talk about idiots, our council specialises in dimwits on the council who employ dimwits in as officials.

What a sad business

 

[Wansworth]

It seems a common problem in local government. We are very fortunate here on the Isle of wight that the council have nothing to do with harbours. Look what they managed with the Cowes chain ferry.

Brings out theNapoleon Bonaparte syndrome in councilors,the water that is

 

[ashtead]

Ryde Harbour is hardly a success story I understand and I believe Ventnor had run into problems as well . Clearly Island Harbour experience might put off private investors . That said Haslar has recently been expanding its pontoons presumably to cater for expected demand. Just a shame they cannot find a decent company to run the restaurant .