New (England) restrictions impact on sailing?

[Hallberg-Rassy]

Ministry of Defence police stop sailors on the water in Portsmouth Harbour amid Covid-19 lockdown

That Portsmouth link exposes the RYA's position as enforcers rather enablers.

Just to get some idea of where we belong in the pecking order, "people facing issues relating to their sexuality or gender" still get to meet in groups. But boaters have to let their boats rot.

I was going to buy a wooden boat this year. Kind of lucky I'd didn't. I imagine they're going to take a hit. Should have been some clause for required maintenance in order to protect assets.

 

[Blue Sunray]

That Portsmouth link exposes the RYA's position as enforcers rather enablers.

Just to get some idea of where we belong in the pecking order, "people facing issues relating to their sexuality or gender" still get to meet in groups. But boaters have to let their boats rot.

I was going to buy a wooden boat this year. Kind of lucky I'd didn't. I imagine they're going to take a hit. Should have been some clause for required maintenance in order to protect assets.

As was said on this forum recently the RYA appears to be an organisation that exists to pay its staff's (inc management) wages (combined with a Ponzi scheme masquerading as training and certification).

 

[RivalRedwing]

not too far seems to include London to Durham & return, Durham to Barnard Castle & return

 

[lustyd]

From a Facebook post from a harbour authority
“The same government guidance permits travel (local where possible)”

So clear as mud. You can travel, and if it’s possible to travel locally that’s great but if not then that’s probably fine too ?

 

[Hallberg-Rassy]

As was said on this forum recently the RYA appears to be an organisation that exists to pay it's staff's (inc management) wages (combined with a Ponzi scheme masquerading as training and certification).

Self-protection versus protecting members'interest? (The curses of keeping one's head down and "compliancy first, in order not to be sued").

We need a Yottie Union. I'm trying to think up a salty name.

In politics, only "the squeaky wheel gets oiled", therefore you've got to squeak loud and long which is why transgenderism is in there but not necessary boat maintenance.

I have an issues with my sexuality. No woman young enough for me to be interested in sleeping with, is interested in sleeping with me. Isn't that why men get boats. Especially really big ones? Why's my support group not government approved?

 

[Blue Sunray]

Hamble have backpedalled and have included this is their new statement:

"As you are aware, statutory harbour authorities themselves cannot ‘close’ due to the Open Port Duty. Marinas, boatyards and other similar businesses situated within statutory harbour authority areas are not currently on the list of businesses that are required to close under the published government guidance. These businesses may be run by the statutory harbour authorities or other entities. "

plus

"Private mooring holders will continue to be able to visit, maintain and use their vessels subject to the general restrictions in place. "

 

[Sandy]

Ministry of Defence police stop sailors on the water in Portsmouth Harbour amid Covid-19 lockdown

The article is dated the 30th of MARCH 2020. Englandshire has "Eaten Out to Help Out" since then.

 

[Lucky Duck]

Hamble have backpedalled and have included this is their new statement:

"As you are aware, statutory harbour authorities themselves cannot ‘close’ due to the Open Port Duty. Marinas, boatyards and other similar businesses situated within statutory harbour authority areas are not currently on the list of businesses that are required to close under the published government guidance. These businesses may be run by the statutory harbour authorities or other entities. "

plus

"Private mooring holders will continue to be able to visit, maintain and use their vessels subject to the general restrictions in place. "

Doesn't the first paragraph suggest they were mistaken in closing the river in March?

 

[lustyd]

Sandy are you implying that paying people to go out and mingle over dinner was somehow a mistake? ?

 

[Blue Sunray]

Doesn't the first paragraph suggest they were mistaken in closing the river in March?

It does to me, but I'm prejudiced as that's what I said at the time.

HM Hamble is almost making Donald Trump look organised and competent in comparison.

 

[Sandy]

Sandy are you implying that paying people to go out and mingle over dinner was somehow a mistake? ?

No, I am merely pointing out that the newspaper article was dated March 2020 and the world has moved on.

I posted another thread that is the position of the Yacht Harbours Association view of the current Lockdown in which they state they are open and you can visit your vessel, they will not stop you taking it out, just don't stay the night.

Personally, I am having the standing rigging and other metal work done next week and sadly won't be able to go sailing for a short time.

 

[Blue Sunray]

Self-protection versus protecting members'interest? (The curses of keeping one's head down and "compliancy first, in order not to be sued").

We need a Yottie Union. I'm trying to think up a salty name.

For goodness sake don't call it BORG.

 

[Hallberg-Rassy]

I was trying for "Sailing Owners of Boats" or "Sailors of Boats", aka "the SoBs" for short.

Hamble have backpedalled and have included this is their new statement:

"As you are aware, statutory harbour authorities themselves cannot ‘close’ due to the Open Port Duty. Marinas, boatyards and other similar businesses situated within statutory harbour authority areas are not currently on the list of businesses that are required to close under the published government guidance. These businesses may be run by the statutory harbour authorities or other entities. "

Do you have a link for that? Thanks.

 

[Lucky Duck]

No, I am merely pointing out that the newspaper article was dated March 2020 and the world has moved on.

I posted another thread that is the position of the Yacht Harbours Association view of the current Lockdown in which they state they are open and you can visit your vessel, they will not stop you taking it out, just don't stay the night.

Personally, I am having the standing rigging and other metal work done next week and sadly won't be able to go sailing for a short time.

That the DCMS have ordered the closure of sailing clubs is a concern..

 

[Blue Sunray]

I was trying for "Sailing Owners of Boats" or "Sailors of Boats", aka "the SoBs" for short.

Do you have a link for that? Thanks.

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[TwoHooter]

I think that those who have to travel a fair distance to get to their boat/marina may well fall foul of the regs as they appear to state that you can "travel to exercise, if you need to make a short journey to do so." However there is no definition of what constitutes a "short journey".

The regulations do not say anything about the distance you can travel.
Regulation 5(1) says 'No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse' and regulation 6 says that reasonable excuses include:
6(2)(c) 'to take exercise outside' - clearly paddleboarding, kayaking, canooing etc. are forms of exercise
6(2)(d) 'to visit a public outdoor place for the purposes of open air recreation— '
7(4) defines 'public outdoor place' as follows 'A place is a “public outdoor place” if it is an outdoor place to which the public have, or are permitted, access (whether on payment or otherwise) and includes—' there then follows a list of examples. Water is not among them.
BUT it is settled law that the term 'includes' does not exclude instances which are not specifically excluded, in other words the examples are just that.
If I am prosecuted for boating I shall rest my defence on regulation 7(4). I shall say that I am visiting a public outdoor place for the purposes of recreation.
Meanwhile, for tonight and a while afterwards, the 'place where I am living' is our boat. It is a place and I am living there.

 

[Blue Sunray]

I was trying for "Sailing Owners of Boats" or "Sailors of Boats", aka "the SoBs" for short.

Do you have a link for that? Thanks.

 

[Sandy]

That the DCMS have ordered the closure of sailing clubs is a concern..

Why?

Perhaps it is the bar they are closing. I currently keep the boat in a marina and the "amenity block" will remain open for use. I need to use the onboard facilities if I need an acholic beverage.

 

[Lucky Duck]

Why?

Perhaps it is the bar they are closing. I currently keep the boat in a marina and the "amenity block" will remain open for use. I need to use the onboard facilities if I need an acholic beverage.

One of the clubs I am a member of has not only closed the clubhouse but also the entire site including thier marina. As the thread on PBO they are not unique in doing so.

Perversely members will be able to see thier yachts from the adjacent footpath but not step foot in the marina

 

[penberth3]

Why?

Perhaps it is the bar they are closing. I currently keep the boat in a marina and the "amenity block" will remain open for use. I need to use the onboard facilities if I need an acholic beverage.

"Outdoor sports facilities and amenities" have to close.