Giblets
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Looks like they also can have you for leaving your household unless for a specific reason. I wouldn't think a marina could be classed as a "public outdoor space" - Part 3, clause 7(4).
New (England) restrictions impact on sailing?
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Lucky Duck
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But, for example, the Solent is
Blue Sunray
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It's bit difficult to get there if one's marina doesn't cooperate though and if last time is anything to go by both some marina groups and harbourmasters will take great delight in pushing their authority.
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Lucky Duck
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Indeed, so far Lymington seem to be the only one to have imposed restrictions and I understand my marina is not intending to close.
However that can all change
Mark-1
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Let's not gold plate this. The exercise is certainly happening in a public outdoor place. If you have to spend a short period of time in a private place to get there that has to be fine.
longjohnsilver
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32 pages of hard reading. No wonder many people are left confused.
My take on your question is recreation, with one other person outside your household in public outdoor space. Again, open to interpretation, not that I have any interest in putting the rules to the test. I’ll be staying at home, except when out walking or cycling. Or driving to collect shopping.
Stork_III
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Stemar
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The reason is that the science isn't clear and nor is the legal position or guidance, unless you do as I do and take the broad approach, which seems to be STFAH unless you need to be out.
My boat's on a club mooring and I expect her to be fine. Solar panels will keep the batteries charged and the sails are off. Should there be a serious issue, though, I'll be going to sort it out no matter what the rules say. A £500 is less expensive than losing the boat. I might print a business card that says Stemar Marine Maintenance and tell plod it's a client's boat, though.
lustyd
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Are you actually obliged to tell the police where you're going now? Never used to have to answer any questions unless under arrest, and to be under arrest they used to need evidence you were breaking a law
Blue Sunray
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I hope that you're not on the Hamble, as I expected (given their attitude last time) the HM there has claimed that they are banning recreational boating and visits to check on boats from midnight tonight.
lustyd
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Do HMs have that authority?
Blue Sunray
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Quite possibly not, but as before they are working on the basis that no one will want the hassle of raising a challenge. (They can't spell either)
FlyingGoose
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Yes more power than boaters think , the HM has authorisation within The harbour boundaries .
There is no freedom to move or anchor in a harbour if they say so and all vessels within the boundary are subject to the HM authority .
lustyd
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If they don't have the authority then there's nothing to challenge, just carry on with your day and ignore them. If they try to physically stop you then they may be guilty of assault. Same reason I asked about the police above - in the old days you didn't need to explain yourself and were free to ignore the police unless and until they arrested you with some evidence.
FlyingGoose
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I think you need to check out the powers of the harbour authority , they have the power to seize your boat, if you break their bylaws, I have told you they have more power than boaters seem to think, these waters within a harbour authority are not open navigation waters , these are controlled, bylawed ,and the HM has some nasty laws that can find a boater in trouble .
These harbour authorities have more clout, more money and the law behind them to deal with naughty boaters.
You have been warned .
lustyd
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sorry your post came up after I posted that
st599
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Only if it's dried out since I was last there - the definitions of Public Outdoor Space all include the word "land"
Lucky Duck
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Twice a day
Last time around the magic word 'includes' was incorporated into the regulations
penberth3
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Agreed, FG. There'll be reams of laws, regulations and by-laws which apply.
Hallberg-Rassy
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Had a quick scan of the proposed regulations. Note there is finally mention of "vessels" but nothing useful for us.
The feeling I am left with is no one is fighting for or representing our interests, but rather than intention is on extending the government's concept to suit or benefit themselves, eg car parks are in. What's a boat yard but a car park?
The lack of any mention of water as "open space" is a perfect example of this.
Why's film making in there and not boating/sailing? Because someone(s) from that industy lobbied them.
The feeling I am left with is no one is fighting for or representing our interests, but rather than intention is on extending the government's concept to suit or benefit themselves, eg car parks are in. What's a boat yard but a car park?
The lack of any mention of water as "open space" is a perfect example of this.
Why's film making in there and not boating/sailing? Because someone(s) from that industy lobbied them.
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