Lucky Duck
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Shouldn't you be on National Trust forums telling members not to visit thier sites?
New (England) restrictions impact on sailing?
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Shouldn't you be on National Trust forums telling members not to visit thier sites?
Blue Sunray
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Sorry I didn't realise that you meant ordinary types, I'm not sure HR is too concerned about them, they're replaceable after all.
atol
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i tried but the Extinction Rebellion members complained
Greenheart
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I think I've read every response here...apologies if I am repeating anyone who posted earlier.
Repeated visits to a non-MDL Solent marina during the lock-down period early this season, showed that many, many couples were routinely staying aboard their boats overnight. No fuss was being made; no barbecues, no conspicuous drunkenness or loud music; just quiet, responsible people, putting reasonable interpretation on the guidelines, behaving safely and not drawing attention.
If you keep asking "can we stay aboard?" or "Is it permitted?" or "What are we allowed to do?", the answers from any kind of authority will be uniformly negative and restrictive.
If you stop discussing it and just do it, with enough care not to need assistance or rescue, there is suddenly nothing to discuss. The investigation of law-breaking will be reserved for the teeming morons ashore who cannot or will not resist arranging and attending drunken parties as if there was no danger to avoid.
The ruling-out of activities which are plainly low-risk or no-risk, seems to be a blanket decision to discourage assumptions of invidiousness, by those whose activities are slightly or significantly more risky. Much easier to rule out every possibility, than to defend a line drawn between varying degrees of risk.
Nobody notices (or cares) until you wilfully draw attention to see if they object...which they then will.
Repeated visits to a non-MDL Solent marina during the lock-down period early this season, showed that many, many couples were routinely staying aboard their boats overnight. No fuss was being made; no barbecues, no conspicuous drunkenness or loud music; just quiet, responsible people, putting reasonable interpretation on the guidelines, behaving safely and not drawing attention.
If you keep asking "can we stay aboard?" or "Is it permitted?" or "What are we allowed to do?", the answers from any kind of authority will be uniformly negative and restrictive.
If you stop discussing it and just do it, with enough care not to need assistance or rescue, there is suddenly nothing to discuss. The investigation of law-breaking will be reserved for the teeming morons ashore who cannot or will not resist arranging and attending drunken parties as if there was no danger to avoid.
The ruling-out of activities which are plainly low-risk or no-risk, seems to be a blanket decision to discourage assumptions of invidiousness, by those whose activities are slightly or significantly more risky. Much easier to rule out every possibility, than to defend a line drawn between varying degrees of risk.
Nobody notices (or cares) until you wilfully draw attention to see if they object...which they then will.
atol
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Turning off the AIS and wearing a covid safe badge when out and about will also help
Lucky Duck
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I agree on AIS, the number of people who apparently hadn't understood that marine traffic and the like would show their stay at Newton Creek or Osborne bay was embarrassing
SaltIre
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Some folk on here were sitting in their armchairs and outing Sailing Covidiots!.
Hallberg-Rassy
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Didn't we have large quarantine spaces set up?
I'm thinking how Japan copes with tsunamis and earthquakes.
To my mind, Covid-19 is only the trail run and given the nature of human relationships with zoonotic diseases, there's going to be another worse one along shortly. Therefore we need some kind of emergency response agency with capacity to remove the virulent or vulnerable from society, however it is done, eg in their homes, or lockdown communities.
I think We know how it entered the country.
Do we know yet how the most contagious communities are spreading the virus?
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Thank you.
Rod.
Thank you.
Rod.
Hallberg-Rassy
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I can't see it. I don't have "permissions".
duncan99210
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Pilot gig has a 7 man crew.....
xyachtdave
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Welcome to YBW, just carry on at your current posting rate and you'll find it before the weekend.
And possibly not for the first time!
RJJ
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Nobody's pretending focussed protection is easy. The trade-off, however, is against locking down the whole economy, which isn't so easy either. In fact, even if you chuck the kitchen sink at it at vast expense, it's most unclear it works.
So instead of furloughing millions of people, providing
If I was vulnerable, of course, what I might really want is to be placed in sheltered accommodation and under a really effective protective umbrella while infection is at large. Pretty sure that's easily affordable, over a couple of months, compared to the cost of maintaining on/off lockdown for the foreseeable future.
RJJ
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noted, thanks
pvb
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Hallberg-Rassy
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Just to keep it within the limits of this forum, "sheltered accommodation" such as sticking them all in one of those redundant cruise ships? Two birds, one stone.
Going back to personal boats, do private marinas or municipally run ports have a right to deny you access to your property?
FlyingGoose
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Yes under their terms and conditions and under the Covid act if they are forced to close or restrict access
Hallberg-Rassy
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See Yacht Harbour Association statement on other topic.
T&C? Might have read them once. Do they tend to included onerous, "we can do what we want when ever we want" clauses?
FlyingGoose
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st599
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The draft SI has been published. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/pdfs/uksi_20201200_en.pdf
The recreation clause limits you to "“public outdoor place" - not sure the definition in the document would include marinas or sailing clubs.
The recreation clause limits you to "“public outdoor place" - not sure the definition in the document would include marinas or sailing clubs.