Greg2
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We have our retirement boat so it will never be an issue for us but if it were no question it would be an older boat on shafts, but then we have always owned what might be described as older boats
IPS vs Shafts
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We have our retirement boat so it will never be an issue for us but if it were no question it would be an older boat on shafts, but then we have always owned what might be described as older boats
Bouba
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The chances of me convincing the wife that if we completely sold up and cashed in her pension we could go up a boat size is pretty slim to none....but it’s akin to saying, I don’t want a boat with Volvos....all of a sudden pickings are slim. A few years from now, all those Volvos will have been replaced by Volvo IPS....but as you say, it’s a problem for the younger generation, not usWe have our retirement boat so it will never be an issue for us but if it were no question it would be an older boat on shafts, but then we have always owned what might be described as older boats
NEB
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Yeap, that is why i noticed Pershing! Next thing we will see is Baias, Technemas and San Lorengoswith IPS!!!!!
New larger IPS being fitted to San Lorenzo!
Fitted to older ones as well -
Nick1150
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Portofino
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It’s a new boat prospect as previously explained , nothing to worry about for the warranty period .
Also dropping potentially a €30K euro bill ( €25 K for the parts - new leg another €5 K Labour ) into the mix of the running costs of a €3M used or €6M new boat , it’s going be absorbed into the 3-5 Y ownership costs .
Offset any fuel savings over the ownership period esp if it does high hrs then I can’t see any issue .Except the nuisance of being stuck somewhere until a fix is sorted .
You are asking a different Q moving goal posts from a €200 K worth of 14-15 M , 10-15 yr old early IPS D 6 boat .
Where by dropping that @€30 K bill 1/2 way through season 1 for a replacement emulsified pod , then a few €3 K and € 5-7 K electrotwackery repairs in seasons 2 and 3 , plus the excessive gen annual maintenance costs ……….
Will make you regret buying a IPS compared to your berth neighbours on shafts who never have any trouble and know the known bills , ie no nasty surprises .
Anyone thinking of dropping €2_3 Million on a SX 88 @ 5 yrs old isn’t gonna bat an eyelid funding a €30 K new pod .
Don’t know how much a 112 IPs costs but the now tiny engine repair costs just dissolve further into the ownership costs .Think depreciation. 1/2 the sticker price at 6 yrs old .
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Portofino
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So for Ten million quid a quad IPS only 50 hrs run 2022 . @120 needs a skipper , + crew , then factor in berth , lift out etc .
https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/yacht/2022-amer-120-8325657/
There’s been effectively zero fuel saving running a quad for 2 yrs over 50 hrs . 500hrs then there’s a justification- just !
Any pod repair / replacement is just a drop in the ocean ( no pun intended) .
If you recover €6 M in 5 yrs then as I say think about the €4 M depreciation on top of the odd replacement pod in your tenure .
So compared, bringing large boats kitted out with IPs is like comparing apples / pears imho .
https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/yacht/2022-amer-120-8325657/
There’s been effectively zero fuel saving running a quad for 2 yrs over 50 hrs . 500hrs then there’s a justification- just !
Any pod repair / replacement is just a drop in the ocean ( no pun intended) .
If you recover €6 M in 5 yrs then as I say think about the €4 M depreciation on top of the odd replacement pod in your tenure .
So compared, bringing large boats kitted out with IPs is like comparing apples / pears imho .
Bouba
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The big advantage of IPS is the ease of parking......but that’s negated if you have a professional captain. But if the pods give a 120 foot boat the same interior volume as a 130 footer then it’s worth it...as you say it’s all in the mathematics
oldgit
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Assuming for one brief moment that the vast majority of folks on this forum regard a 40 foot boat as large and 50 footer as being "aspirational" ie in their dreams only and that a " new " boat is simply well beyond their financial means , IPS is probably not going to trouble their bank balance in the near future.
Having had the actual pleasure of helming the sort of boats that most on here own , both conventional shaft drive , including "V" drives and IPS able to compare both systems regards usability and maintainace.
Any initial thoughts regards IPS being outdrives with added problems has now gone, ,now know they are merely outdrives but with added problems . IPS, cheap to install and with the ongoing extra additional cost of keeping the things going, passed on to owners further down the food chain.
Win Win for the builders.
As for the alleged advantages of IPS regards maneuverability , merely a different set of skills to learn ? watching the arrival of skilled skipper get into a tight corner using twin shafts or the owner of a IPS boat see-saw sideways desperately switching the power button a good illustration.
There is a reason your authorised VP dealer keeps a selection of repair kits in stock to keep water out of the drive units , ranging from a couple of oil seals (before the boat is sold on ) to new shaft kits when our new owner discovers there is oil in his drive.
KISS. ?
madabouttheboat
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IPS are fine for the first owner who has warranty cover. As someone with a bit of experience in these things, I would never buy a used boat with IPS and no warranty. I have seen the problems with them and I have seen the size of the resultant bills.
There is no doubt that the technology is excellent, and the benefits that IPS bring I think are great, but in terms of owning a pair of older IPS, they make outdrives look like the sensible, and cheap to maintain and repair, option.
ETA: I am talking about more 'everyman' boats rather than superyacht stuff. There are lots of 40ish foot boats around now on the used market with IPS at quite 'affordable' prices.
There is no doubt that the technology is excellent, and the benefits that IPS bring I think are great, but in terms of owning a pair of older IPS, they make outdrives look like the sensible, and cheap to maintain and repair, option.
ETA: I am talking about more 'everyman' boats rather than superyacht stuff. There are lots of 40ish foot boats around now on the used market with IPS at quite 'affordable' prices.
Bouba
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My main argument isn’t that IPS are better….but the inevitability of them taking over the second hand marketAssuming for one brief moment that the vast majority of folks on this forum regard a 40 foot boat as large and 50 footer as being "aspirational" ie in their dreams only and that a " new " boat is simply well beyond their financial means , IPS is probably not going to trouble their bank balance in the near future.
Having had the actual pleasure of helming the sort of boats that most on here own , both conventional shaft drive , including "V" drives and IPS able to compare both systems regards usability and maintainace.
Any initial thoughts regards IPS being outdrives with added problems has now gone, ,now know they are merely outdrives but with added problems . IPS, cheap to install and with the ongoing extra additional cost of keeping the things going, passed on to owners further down the food chain.
Win Win for the builders.
As for the alleged advantages of IPS regards maneuverability , merely a different set of skills to learn ? watching the arrival of skilled skipper get into a tight corner using twin shafts or the owner of a IPS boat see-saw sideways desperately switching the power button a good illustration.
There is a reason your authorised VP dealer keeps a selection of repair kits in stock to keep water out of the drive units , ranging from a couple of oil seals (before the boat is sold on ) to new shaft kits when our new owner discovers there is oil in his drive.
KISS. ?