Ipad running navionics seems to freeze

[Refueler]

Always one isn't there .....

Many Androids today not only have GPS ... but often DUAL sim + SD card ......

Maybe its time B27 - to actually look ...

Lets take my Headwolf Android - that I use for my Navionics and F1 TV .... its half the price of an iPad (non GPS version) ... it has dual sim .. + SD card ... its FASTER than most iPads ...

I really do not understand the reluctance to open eyes ....

When scrolling through tablets - the spec to avoid is : GPS enabled .... which accounts for a small number of Android but many iPads ... Enabled means that an external GPS can be connected ....

I don't post this just based on Navionics ... I also post it based on high tech Drones such as my DJI's where GPS is a necessary function ... and iPad loses the war so often. When my expensive camera drone is out there filming - I rely on its and the tablets GPS ..... and have done for years. I use a Nexus 2012 ... yes a 2012 .... one of the best tablets ever .. still today knocks iPads for 6 .... The only limitation on the Nexus is it is non GSM .. non SD card ... but it has full high spec WiFi and GPS ...

 

[Buck Turgidson]

Always one isn't there .....

Many Androids today not only have GPS ... but often DUAL sim + SD card ......

Maybe its time B27 - to actually look ...

Lets take my Headwolf Android - that I use for my Navionics and F1 TV .... its half the price of an iPad (non GPS version) ... it has dual sim .. + SD card ... its FASTER than most iPads ...

I really do not understand the reluctance to open eyes ....

When scrolling through tablets - the spec to avoid is : GPS enabled .... which accounts for a small number of Android but many iPads ... Enabled means that an external GPS can be connected ....

I don't post this just based on Navionics ... I also post it based on high tech Drones such as my DJI's where GPS is a necessary function ... and iPad loses the war so often. When my expensive camera drone is out there filming - I rely on its and the tablets GPS ..... and have done for years. I use a Nexus 2012 ... yes a 2012 .... one of the best tablets ever .. still today knocks iPads for 6 .... The only limitation on the Nexus is it is non GSM .. non SD card ... but it has full high spec WiFi and GPS ...

I'm going to assume you have never used a current iPad. Either that or you are drunk.

 

[Refueler]

I'm going to assume you have never used a current iPad. Either that or you are drunk.

Oh dear ... here comes the usual attack ... when nothing left.

What do you think I live in ? A bubble ? I have plenty of pals who have iPads new and old. Funny that - they all complain of same things as well .. Apple's decision to restrict users choices !!!

At least I can say that I have enough spare cash left over after buying Android instead of iPad - that I could get drunk and still have money spare !!

Get real .....

 

[B27]

Always one isn't there .....

Many Androids today not only have GPS ... but often DUAL sim + SD card ......

Maybe its time B27 - to actually look ...

Lets take my Headwolf Android - that I use for my Navionics and F1 TV .... its half the price of an iPad (non GPS version) ... it has dual sim .. + SD card ... its FASTER than most iPads ...

I really do not understand the reluctance to open eyes ....

When scrolling through tablets - the spec to avoid is : GPS enabled .... which accounts for a small number of Android but many iPads ... Enabled means that an external GPS can be connected ....

I don't post this just based on Navionics ... I also post it based on high tech Drones such as my DJI's where GPS is a necessary function ... and iPad loses the war so often. When my expensive camera drone is out there filming - I rely on its and the tablets GPS ..... and have done for years. I use a Nexus 2012 ... yes a 2012 .... one of the best tablets ever .. still today knocks iPads for 6 .... The only limitation on the Nexus is it is non GSM .. non SD card ... but it has full high spec WiFi and GPS ...

Your Headwolf is an example of GPS and LTE (i.e. Phone) going together.
It doesn't seem to be readily available retail in the UK, you can buy it on alibaba or whatever and take your chances on import costs.

At half the cost of an ipad, it not even particularly cheap as Android tablets go.
I'm not a huge fan of apple, but android has been annoying me lately so I'm trying the alternative.
I bought a used iphone for £140 refurbished and got the ipad for free/few beers from someone who'd upgraded for work.
I've probably got a more meaningful warranty on the used iphone than I'd get buying from alibangood.


I've been using Navionics Boating for a while now, on Android, I've found it much better on the old Samsung tablet (no SIM model, quite old) than on my Android phone, because on the phone it sees the internet and starts wanting you to log in and take your data. Which is a pain when you're rubbish at remembering passwords and trying to steer at the same time.
It's been pretty solid and reliable on the tablet, both with and without a current subscription. I don't think it likes 'Devon internet' where you get a sniff of 4G data and then semaphore or something! I'm not really conplaining, so much as looking to see if I'm missing anything better. As I'm now Android-trans-apple, I think I'll renew Navionics as it covers both ecosystems.

I've never noticed Navionics freeze on the Samsung and we do a lot of 'sailing slowly'.

I do have an old fashioned Magellan GPS with some key waypoints in it, and a stack of paper charts. I like that, I am used to the COG SOG BRG DTW screen, sunlight readable reflective LCD etc. We refer to the Tablet as 'The Toy'. The Magelan is revered as 'the good old GPS'.
Also I have an anchor watch app in my hpone which boots up nice and quick and gives a plain old lat/long. That's another backup which doesn't require running the phone's GPS all day.

The other thing some tablets don't have is a compass chip, personally I rarely use that afloat. We have two proper compasses, a handbearing compass and a dinghy-racing TackTick.

 

[Refueler]

Your Headwolf is an example of GPS and LTE (i.e. Phone) going together.
It doesn't seem to be readily available retail in the UK, you can buy it on alibaba or whatever and take your chances on import costs.

At half the cost of an ipad, it not even particularly cheap as Android tablets go.
I'm not a huge fan of apple, but android has been annoying me lately so I'm trying the alternative.
I bought a used iphone for £140 refurbished and got the ipad for free/few beers from someone who'd upgraded for work.
I've probably got a more meaningful warranty on the used iphone than I'd get buying from alibangood.


I've been using Navionics Boating for a while now, on Android, I've found it much better on the old Samsung tablet (no SIM model, quite old) than on my Android phone, because on the phone it sees the internet and starts wanting you to log in and take your data. Which is a pain when you're rubbish at remembering passwords and trying to steer at the same time.
It's been pretty solid and reliable on the tablet, both with and without a current subscription. I don't think it likes 'Devon internet' where you get a sniff of 4G data and then semaphore or something! I'm not really conplaining, so much as looking to see if I'm missing anything better. As I'm now Android-trans-apple, I think I'll renew Navionics as it covers both ecosystems.

I've never noticed Navionics freeze on the Samsung and we do a lot of 'sailing slowly'.

I do have an old fashioned Magellan GPS with some key waypoints in it, and a stack of paper charts. I like that, I am used to the COG SOG BRG DTW screen, sunlight readable reflective LCD etc. We refer to the Tablet as 'The Toy'. The Magelan is revered as 'the good old GPS'.
Also I have an anchor watch app in my hpone which boots up nice and quick and gives a plain old lat/long. That's another backup which doesn't require running the phone's GPS all day.

The other thing some tablets don't have is a compass chip, personally I rarely use that afloat. We have two proper compasses, a handbearing compass and a dinghy-racing TackTick.

OK ... thank you for a very good reasonable post.

I can debunk a few things you mention :

I have had warranty claims a couple of times with Banggood ... AliExpress .... and all have been sorted easily and to satisfaction. It may take a little more explanation .. a possible photo / video to show the fault. But lets be honest - we are claiming online and not over a shop counter. I have had worse warranty service over counter in UK and here in Latvia.

Sim enabled tablet : if you've done updates or do not want to do such and just want to use the tablet - then select Airplane mode and then enable what service you want ie GPS .. WiFi etc. and have SIM connection disabled.
I have Navionics on Samsung A34 phone ... Samsung S8 phone .... two Mediatech older Android Tablets and of course the latest Headwolf Android tablet. NONE of them want to log in to anything till I decide to.
I accept that my Google Account is always active unless I select Airplane mode .... but only when I have cleared out junk files does it ever ask PW again.

I too have an old Magellan with the flip up antenna .. I even have a network 0183 created round it that I used before getting a plotter. Uses telephone multicore cable. I also have a basic eTrex - same as "Keep turning Left' uses .... but never to the extent that he has !!

My Plotter outputs position data / AIS data via my NMEA2WiFi box ... so my tablet picks up the infoi via WiFi (I can choose tablet GPS or plotter GPS to the Navionics app) .. via WiFi to any phone ... plus USB to my Acer One using Seaclear (Seaclear does not accept WiFi). I have OpenCPN - but dislike it .... I have full Commercial CM93 as well .... but that's job related.

 

[Buck Turgidson]

Oh dear ... here comes the usual attack ... when nothing left.

What do you think I live in ? A bubble ? I have plenty of pals who have iPads new and old. Funny that - they all complain of same things as well .. Apple's decision to restrict users choices !!!

At least I can say that I have enough spare cash left over after buying Android instead of iPad - that I could get drunk and still have money spare !!

Get real .....

The idea that your 2012 Nexus is as fast as an M1 or M2 core iPad is ludicrous.

 

[Refueler]

The idea that your 2012 Nexus is as fast as an M1 or M2 core iPad is ludicrous.

Fine ... but considering that Alex when we were sailing the 38 home had a NEW high spec iPad .. and I had my lowly Headwolf at a fraction of the cost ... his iPad was slower to refresh when we were comparing route creation etc. His son was using his Samsung phone .... even that showed up the iPad ...

OK - my Nexus was a bit of a stab at iPad ... but considering some of the rubbish I'm reading about iPads - can you blame me ?

I have close friends - one services / setups Hospital and Clinics / Local businesses It systems and integrated items such as tablets feeding back to server etc. Another is working in Internet Provider as Manager Installation Dept .... both when iPad is mentioned laugh ...
When Eric (Installation manager) goes on site ... he has two items for diagnostics ... a notebook PC and a rugged Android Tablet.
When Vilnis sets up feedback services - he sets up Android tablets.
That's QED for me especially when I add to my own observations / experience.

 

[Buck Turgidson]

Fine ... but considering that Alex when we were sailing the 38 home had a NEW high spec iPad .. and I had my lowly Headwolf at a fraction of the cost ... his iPad was slower to refresh when we were comparing route creation etc. His son was using his Samsung phone .... even that showed up the iPad ...

OK - my Nexus was a bit of a stab at iPad ... but considering some of the rubbish I'm reading about iPads - can you blame me ?

I have close friends - one services / setups Hospital and Clinics / Local businesses It systems and integrated items such as tablets feeding back to server etc. Another is working in Internet Provider as Manager Installation Dept .... both when iPad is mentioned laugh ...
When Eric (Installation manager) goes on site ... he has two items for diagnostics ... a notebook PC and a rugged Android Tablet.
When Vilnis sets up feedback services - he sets up Android tablets.
That's QED for me especially when I add to my own observations / experience.

Just for a moment look at your response to every thread about tablets or specifically iPads. Your bias is so strong that there is no way you can possibly form an honest opinion.
It's fine that you personally don't like apple, but the way you instinctively trash iPads at every opportunity honestly makes your contributions to any conversation about tablets worthless.
You honestly sound like a stooge for bangood/allibaba to me. I'm sure you're not. But that's what you sound like.

 

[Refueler]

Just for a moment look at your response to every thread about tablets or specifically iPads. Your bias is so strong that there is no way you can possibly form an honest opinion.
It's fine that you personally don't like apple, but the way you instinctively trash iPads at every opportunity honestly makes your contributions to any conversation about tablets worthless.
You honestly sound like a stooge for bangood/allibaba to me. I'm sure you're not. But that's what you sound like.

Fair enough .... I like Android. I don't like iPad. I am not alone.

I have no connection to any company selling such - just a satisfied user.

My 'bias' is based on use over many years ... from literally first days tablets appeared.

 

[nicho]

I use iPad with Sky Demon (similar to Navionics but for aviation) in the aeroplane. Mine will seize occasionally in hot weather, if the brightness setting is on maximum and the unit overheats - it will switch on again after a short cooling period. Try turning the brightness down a bit (not a lot, but say approx 8/10ths) to see if that cures it - it certainly works on mine. Some recommend another make of tablet eg Samsung, which evidently does not have the same problem.

 

[Refueler]

I use iPad with Sky Demon (similar to Navionics but for aviation) in the aeroplane. Mine will seize occasionally in hot weather, if the brightness setting is on maximum and the unit overheats - it will switch on again after a short cooling period. Try turning the brightness down a bit (not a lot, but say approx 8/10ths) to see if that cures it - it certainly works on mine. Some recommend another make of tablet eg Samsung, which evidently does not have the same problem.

Screens are the biggest bugbear of ALL tablets / displays when it comes to heat. Even plotters designed for cockpit / external mounting. I've experienced displays 'blacking out' due to sun beating down on them .. touch the screen and you can feel the temp that's built up. Some are now going to tell me that brand X does not do it etc. - well I will disagree as screen tech is not that perfect yet.

As quoted - you can turn down the 'energy used' in screen brightness - not all tablets will respond favourably ... but the best way to avoid - is a sun screen or hood ... so that the screen is effectively in the shade. This also makes the screen more readable.

The Garmin MFD I have on the 38 ... I will be 3D printing a hood for that .. as that suffered during a blue sky hot day ...

Its not unknown for a tablet screen to first blacken - then as heat hits internals - for tablet to shut down .... regardless of iPad / Linux / Android / Win ....

 

[Porthandbuoy]

I run Navionics and Memory Map (for Antares) on my elderly iPad min (IOS 12.5.7)i. I always close every other app on the iPad properly by double pressing the Home button and swiping them up and off the screen. Don’t know if it that’s why, but neither navigation app has ever frozen.
It’s also in a waterproof case, plugged in to a usb socket, brightness at maximum, display Off set to ‘never’, Bluetooth Off and connected via WiFi for AIS overlay.

 

[Refueler]

I run Navionics and Memory Map (for Antares) on my elderly iPad min (IOS 12.5.7)i. I always close every other app on the iPad properly by double pressing the Home button and swiping them up and off the screen. Don’t know if it that’s why, but neither navigation app has ever frozen.
It’s also in a waterproof case, plugged in to a usb socket, brightness at maximum, display Off set to ‘never’, Bluetooth Off and connected via WiFi for AIS overlay.

On Android - I do similar - but via the FORCE OFF switch ... or if lazy - via the Show All Apps active ... then close each not required.

Too many apps seem to be written to keep partial loaded ... hogging memory unnecessarily.

 

[B27]

I left the ipad running 'boating' overnight.
This morning it's still got 40% battery and it needs the PIN to open 'boating'.
It's a 9 or 10 year oldbattery, I can't believe it's run the GPS for 20 hours without going flat.

If I leave boating running on my old Samsung tablet, it keeps the GPS active until the battery goes flat.
Although it does blank the screen.

So, the two OS's may behave differently when activity is low.
There may be settings I can fiddle with.
Or the ipad may need a few moments to re-acquire satellites when woken up.

Whether that's intrinsic to the ipad or a feature of the way boating uses the ipad is a question.
There are other gps tracking apps we use for hiking, i might see how they behave.
Possibly running another GPS app in the background might keep the GPS active.

On another point, putting my Android phone into Aeroplane Mode does not prevent boating demanding to log in, when firing up an 'expired subscription' copy of boating.
While the subscription was current, it did demand to log in at a few irritating times, but TBH I don't use it on my phone much for actual nav, more for discussing places and looking at charts in the bar. Of course that may be an effect of a particular phone running a particular update of android and a particular release of 'boating'. That's the thing with android, there are more variables, compared to the 'closed shop' of ios.

I've got where I am due to considering trying other apps than 'boating'. While an 'expired subscription' version of Boating is extremely useful as a 'show me where I am on a chart' tool, it's definitely not the full shilling, so comparing it with the 2 week demo on ipad is not fair.
In the medium term, I'm looking at trying an Android car stereo to be mounted in the cockpit, that project has been pushed back though.

 

[Refueler]

B27 ... I am still trying to figure out why you should have Boating trying to connect to internet ........

There are 5 people + myself locally here who use this app on both OS's .... one has expired sub ...

I asked them and like myself - none have experienced what you claim ... OK - the expired install does bring up an offer to re-subscribe - fair enough. But none of the sub'd demand it ...

One point of course - Boating App does require that Log In be saved ... and also can refer back to Google or Apple Login ... IF NOT auto saved.

I had a bit of a tizzy other day as I renewed my sub ... because my Google login had changed - I had to reset the login to pay the sub. But that's a Google Playstore / Apple PLaystore matter.

I suggest you may have a setting particularly to your setup - not the tablet OS or app.

 

[B27]

OK, I just put my phone into flight mode and tried to open 'Boating'.

" An unexpected error forced the application to close. Please reinstall, you will not be charged.

OK"

That would not be OK if I was afloat.

I turned off aeroplane mode and the same thing happened.

I would suggest that anyone who is keeping an old copy of boating on their phone as any sort of 'backup' should test it regularly.

I am guessing that some sort of update has gone bad last time I attempted to fire it up where there was very poor internet?
I have my doubts about Navionics, I think they've lost the plot, trying ot add ever more 'clever features' which I don't want, and lost sight of the basics.


So, I logged out of Navionics on the demo copy on the ipad, switched the ipad off and re-started it, put it in airplane mode to simulate being out of wifi coverage and started Navionics.
It asked me to login, which it can't do
" Connecton Failed
Please check your connection and try again later"

I'm not keen to be paying them any more money.

I assume most people don't log out of Boating?

 

[Refueler]

Very strange .....

Were you 'logged into' Apple Play or do you log out always ? I have a feeling that even if not connected to internet - if the app detects you logged out on the tablet - it then asks you to log in ... cannot think of any other reason ...

Yes app recently had an update as well as maps ... but it did not interrupt use .. in fact I only found out it had updated after reading your woes and interrogating system.

I do agree though that like many things today - they seem to have lost the plot ... lost sight of the real origin of what they are for. Especially when you consider Garmins part in it ... so now we have basically different formats of Navionics .. to work on some and not on other machines ...

I do ask myself - if Boating app is intended for serious work or just to cater for todays 'phone / tablet' users - to provide quickie solutions / create routes etc. to transfer to 'serious plotters' ??

 

[B27]

I must admit I don't actually know if I was still logged into the ipad app store.

I don't understand why sigining in or out of the app store would be relevant.
AIUI (and I admit I don't understand it very much!) I signed into apple as fred@hotmail.com to load the app, then signed into navionics.com as boatname@myco.co.uk, and then the tablet sends all my data to navionics.com if it can.
Not sure I want them harvesting my contacts and stuff.

I've signred back into navionics then gone into airplane mode.
I've turned off data sync in Navionics and background app update in ipad settings.

I hope to go sailing for a couple of days this week so I'll see how it goes before the free trial runs out.
I'm getting the hang of Havionics on the ipad and think it's maybe easier/better than on Android.
(That may partly be the android tablet we use is a little old 7 inch job).

If it works robustly, I'm fairly happy to have 'the boat ipad' permanently in airplane mode or off the internet/wifi.
I hope to be going further afield next year so will probably be looking at AIS.

 

[Refueler]

When I paid my renewal - it required me to pay via the Play Store system as the APP was downloaded from there originally.

I would think you down loaded from Apple Play similarly .. makes no odds as I understand it whether Apple or Google Play .. Boating App is through them.

Considering that the app has been written to encode and hide the maps you download ... I think it likely this is the reason. Plus of course they would love you to cough up the sub ...

But lets be honest .. when I look at Navionics via SD card at over 200 quid for my plotter ... but its 39 euros annual sub for my Android - same coverage ... I'm ready to pay the sub !!

BUT - I do not regard it as primary nav unit. Its handy to look at anywhere you are on the boat ... but my main nav is my Onwa (has full Europe charting + AIS) and the Garmin when its in Sweden chart coverage.

 

[B27]

I agree the subscription is not expensive.

I would be happy to pay that and they let me download the charts and that should be the end of our interaction.
I don't want to be in their 'community' or them to be sharing my data or loading up my phone.
I think my employer would be uncomfortable with a foreign company tracking me, let a lone harvesting my contacts etc.

I need it to be very clear about working offline.
If I have to jump through a hoop or two to keep it working offline, it really ought to be making that clear.
But needing to log on and not being able to log on is not acceptable.

AIUI, one subscription can be used across apple and android devices?
So I don't quite get how my ipad would be interacting with my google play account?
It seems much more likely that he devices interact with Garmin Inc where they are tagged against my navionics account?

Any way, if it costs 30 or 40 quid a year for a subscription, plus £50 for a dedicated secondhand ipad now and then, so be it.