Momac
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Do you have a reference to the government advice for that please ? Serious question not taking the mick.
I broke the lockdown...and I’m pleased I did
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colhel
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Why do you need a de-humidifier and a battery charger running? (I'm genuinely curious btw)
Solent Sailor
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The regulations themselves -s6(2)(a)- the obtaining of goods for the purpose of property maintenance. If you compare the situation to fixing a fence, as was specifically cited in the College of Policing’s guidance from last week, fixing a potential source of imminent fire on a boat is generally far more likely to be urgent/essential than a domestic fence.
My batteries are somewhat dated so it helps keep them going a bit longer, and a good smart charger will always keep them ready for use.
The dehumidifier is essential when it’s colder to stop condensation forming and causing mildew. An alternative is to make the boat well ventilated, but that isn’t easy with how ours is configured, so the dehumidifier does the job, draining into the galley sink and also raising the internal temperature slightly to prevent any pipes from freezing.
Sharky34
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Here we go, a rule breaker envoking "I did not break amy laws" excuse.
Its on a parr with "we were only following orders"!
Rappey
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If solent sailor paid someone to do what he did then that would be OK ?
chrisharris
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I think one of the problems is that everyone has a view as to what is vital, or important (eg the definition of essential). I have not and will not be going to my boat for the moment as I don't think it is the right thing to do. I would like to put the batteries on charge as I am concerned that they will be damaged if left for too long without, but I don't consider it essential at the moment. Although it is important...... If I had a genuine concern the boat would sink, or risk bilge pumping leaking fuel into the harbour for whatever reason I would go down to check it as I would consider the risk to the environment as making the trip essential. I think in a week or so the absence of basic maintenance checks and similar (maybe Inc battery charging) may tip into the essential (in my view) category to prevent damage. But the important point is that this is all my view, and decisions would be taken on a risk mitigation basis. Ultimately if this is the way the lockdown will faze itself out the law may become quite busy arguing over the interpretation of essential......
Momac
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Please read that regulation again.
It says ''the household'' , not property in general. Your boat isn't your household is it ?
You don't need a dehumidifier this time of year unless you have a very leaky boat.
SYTomkat
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If you really cared about your boat then perhaps reconsider leaving it plugged in. Plenty of examples of dehumidifiers and battery chargers catching fire and batteries exploding.
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The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020
The actual wording is slightly different ... "supplies for the essential upkeep, maintenance and functioning of the household".
There are at least two groups of people:
- A. Those that believe that the laws should be respected by everyone, by breaking (or severely bending them) you are setting a bad example, and launching us one step closer to global anarchy.
- B. Those that believe that because there was no harm that it's okay, the laws are a blunt instrument that don't make sense in all circumstances, and in this case, the action potentially prevented the fire brigade being called out.
Pretty much everyone has already decided which group they are in, and whatever you say you will be criticised by Group A readers and supported by Group B: the chance that someone will have a revelation based on your writing and switch groups is very close to zero.
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Lucky Duck
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There is a third group, those that believe compliance with legislation is not sufficient and further restrictions should apply.
Post #24 is an example of this.
Post #24 is an example of this.
Corky
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I think the worst part is to come on here and brag about it encouraging others to do the same. Not everyone can access their boats without touching locks, gates, taps etc but will be tempted to do so now encouraged by you. EVERYONE is expected to do their bit - not just when it suits them, so that we can all stay safe.
Sharky34
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No, because solent sailor would still have visited his boat.
Momac
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Sounds like the power was off = breaker had tripped so probably not .
Portofino
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The biggest mistake this time round if we compare the Brit response to other Europeans is the ambiguity seemingly of “ excerise “
and lack of hard fines ,
Romania has generated revenue in one month than exceeded it normal tax take ( GDP ) with fines .
French have a strict 5 ? Reason form you self certify if you go out .Police will fine if they think you are out inappropriately.
What Iam saying our lockdown has been a shambles imho .
Partial .Its a partial lockdown.
So the “ curve “ has indeed flattened but it stuck at a stubborn high level .....what was it 683 ? Dead yesterday., and about 1000 known admissions.
A 1000 is 365000 pa !
Spain iirc 367 and Italy now consistent below 500 and reducing ,
We are stuck miles above 500 ......because let’s face it if you see the pics below ....what lockdown in terms of human contacts ??
Theres just too many people moving around in my view unnecessary.
Re breathing others exhaled air .Spreading infected droplets.
I mean it’s now ( recent rule adjustment) OK to drive to a place of excerise as long as the excerise time exceeds the journey .......pleeeeeese
Anyhow this goes on .....see all theses breathing each others droplets ......crazy !
So before this court of star chamber judges the OP , 2 questions ps
1- which age group is the OP .?
2 - more importantly did the OP get himself into a situation whereby he inhaled anybody’s exhaled air or visa versa ?
If there was zero exchange of another humans airborne droplets and he figured there was not gonna be then I don’t think we should be too harsh ..after all he could have been cycling in London ( busy ) then exhaled potentially infected droplets all over his aged relatives food parcel as he carried up the path to dump it on her door step .
Lockdown never happened in the UK really it is a joke .In terms of a serious airborne transmission disease .
Our numbers are starting to reflect this .
and lack of hard fines ,
Romania has generated revenue in one month than exceeded it normal tax take ( GDP ) with fines .
French have a strict 5 ? Reason form you self certify if you go out .Police will fine if they think you are out inappropriately.
What Iam saying our lockdown has been a shambles imho .
Partial .Its a partial lockdown.
So the “ curve “ has indeed flattened but it stuck at a stubborn high level .....what was it 683 ? Dead yesterday., and about 1000 known admissions.
A 1000 is 365000 pa !
Spain iirc 367 and Italy now consistent below 500 and reducing ,
We are stuck miles above 500 ......because let’s face it if you see the pics below ....what lockdown in terms of human contacts ??
Theres just too many people moving around in my view unnecessary.
Re breathing others exhaled air .Spreading infected droplets.
I mean it’s now ( recent rule adjustment) OK to drive to a place of excerise as long as the excerise time exceeds the journey .......pleeeeeese
Anyhow this goes on .....see all theses breathing each others droplets ......crazy !
So before this court of star chamber judges the OP , 2 questions ps
1- which age group is the OP .?
2 - more importantly did the OP get himself into a situation whereby he inhaled anybody’s exhaled air or visa versa ?
If there was zero exchange of another humans airborne droplets and he figured there was not gonna be then I don’t think we should be too harsh ..after all he could have been cycling in London ( busy ) then exhaled potentially infected droplets all over his aged relatives food parcel as he carried up the path to dump it on her door step .
Lockdown never happened in the UK really it is a joke .In terms of a serious airborne transmission disease .
Our numbers are starting to reflect this .
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Sharky34
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You can query it with the Law even now, let us know their verdict.
Sharky34
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Group B doesn't exist, other than in your own mind.
Sharky34
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Where does post #24 say that?
Your are making things up yet again.
Further restrictions, would be pointless, since its obvious from this thread, that the OP + others, can't even apply the existing rules.
chrisharris
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I don't need to, not intending to test it at the moment, but strongly suspect that there would not be a single consistent verdict, it would depend on the view of the individual plod vs the justification given. We have seen widely different interpretations across counties and country.
Elessar
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Absolutely so.
What about the example of my self isolating friend? A fool blindly applied the rules.
Elessar
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But was it likely?
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