How to get an annual berth in greece in a municipial harbour?

[Irish Rover]

As its thought by some, the first settlers in Ireland came from Britain I would have thought they crossed at the shortest sea route, possibly Mull to Antrim,

We're a bastard race, in more ways than one. Early settlers likely came from Britain and Western Europe. Then there was a big influx of Turkish farmers followed by Russians. Even the great man himself, who we'll celebrate next week, probably came from "that place".

 

[dunedin]

We're a bastard race, in more ways than one. Early settlers likely came from Britain and Western Europe. Then there was a big influx of Turkish farmers followed by Russians. Even the great man himself, who we'll celebrate next week, probably came from "that place".

And of course Russia is named after the Rus people, who were Nordic (aka incorrectly referred to as Vikings) Varangians. It’s all pretty complicated.

 

[billskip]

. Even the great man himself, who we'll celebrate next week, probably came from "that place".

Don't think Trump did, to be POTUS you have to come from the USofA

 

[DangerousPirate]

History is complicated.

I think the Scoti / Scots actually came from Ireland, not what is now Scotland.
The Angles / English were Germanic, not from what is now England
The "English" kings spoke French for centuries, and some spent little if any time on what is now Britain.

And when the Saint Marina was in what is now Turkey, that was centuries before Turkey existed. Indeed it may have been in an area ruled by Hellenic / Greco / Romans (who all got rather intertwined and confused as well).

That is correct. Initially they came from ireland. But they moved to what is now scotland, and then the name stuck for that region.

Sort of like the normandy is named after the normanns (a variation on the name for vikings), who came from scandinavia and just settled there, which then gave the area that name.

They're not originally from there, same as the scoti, yet they settled there and the rest is history.

Anyway. Wasn't this thread about greece or something?

 

[dunedin]

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Anyway. Wasn't this thread about greece or something?

Forum rules. Any question can be answered by post #20. Thereafter we should be able to drift the thread until reach Mornington Crescent

 

[Irish Rover]

Don't think Trump did, to be POTUS you have to come from the USofA

May God forgive you for such sacrilege

 

[dunedin]

May God forgive you for such sacrilege

I know the Moderators are omnipotent, but do you refer to them as “God” now?

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

We're a bastard race, in more ways than one. Early settlers likely came from Britain and Western Europe. Then there was a big influx of Turkish farmers followed by Russians. Even the great man himself, who we'll celebrate next week, probably came from "that place".

..not an influx of Turks in the British Isles, the Turks were still in Mongolia then

 

[Irish Rover]

..not an influx of Turks in the British Isles, the Turks were still in Mongolia then

I don't know about the "British Isles" what or wherever they may be, but it"s pretty much accepted that farmers from Anatolia were the original bedrock of agriculture in Ireland some 8/10,000 years ago.

 

[st599]

I don't know about the "British Isles" what or wherever they may be, but it"s pretty much accepted that farmers from Anatolia were the original bedrock of agriculture in Ireland some 8/10,000 years ago.

I think the Seljuk Turks didn't invade the area that's now Türkiye until just over 1000 years ago. So the farmers did come from Anatolia but the captain's point is they weren't Turks.

 

[Irish Rover]

I think the Seljuk Turks didn't invade the area that's now Türkiye until just over 1000 years ago. So the farmers did come from Anatolia but the captain's point is they weren't Turks.

So does that mean the the descendants of the farmers who were in Anatolia before the Selçuks came are not Turkish now? There are some very clever people on this forum, and a great many more who just think they're clever, and a few of us who just keep it simple, because that's what we are.

 

[Davy_S]

We're a bastard race,

How dare you Sir, i am from Lancashire and so was my father!

 

[Irish Rover]

How dare you Sir, i am from Lancashire and so was my father!

You have my deepest sympathies.

 

[DangerousPirate]

So does that mean the the descendants of the farmers who were in Anatolia before the Selçuks came are not Turkish now? There are some very clever people on this forum, and a great many more who just think they're clever, and a few of us who just keep it simple, because that's what we are.

Well, you are correct about that. The descendants are turkish. But the ancestors were anatolians (as they hadn't mixed yet). They are just from MODERN DAY turkey. "Pure" in a sense. Nothing to do with turkish people except they lived on their land before the Selcuq moved in. Modern turkish people are both - anatolian and selcuq, but pre invasion, the anatolians were NOT turkish.

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

So does that mean the the descendants of the farmers who were in Anatolia before the Selçuks came are not Turkish now? There are some very clever people on this forum, and a great many more who just think they're clever, and a few of us who just keep it simple, because that's what we are.

"Anatolia" means "East" in Greek, because it was the land to the East of their mainland Greece. So, farming was spread to Europe from the East such as "Mesopotamia" by the Babylonians and Assyrians; the word Meso-potamia means the "Land between Rivers" in Greek; the rivers Euphrates and Tigris were named by the Persians. Has nothing to do with Turks; anything Turkish came a few thousand years later. By the way, both rivers were navigational in the ancient times unlike nowadays where the dams have restricted navigation.

 

[Irish Rover]

Wasn't life grand and simple when Paddy was a Paddy, Tommy was a Tommie, and Mehmet was a Turk. Now everyone can go on the Internet, and get reams of useless information to make an argument out of the most basic facts. Selçuk the begrudgers.

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

Wasn't life grand and simple when Paddy was a Paddy, Tommy was a Tommie, and Mehmet was a Turk. Now everyone can go on the Internet, and get reams of useless information to make an argument out of the most basic facts. Selçuk the begrudgers.

I wished it was, but the reality is that Human migration and Geopolitics is not as simple as everyday life and it has persisted since humans started spreading on land and by sea. It is not the internet, some of us have spent our professional lifetime in this field. Happy sailing

 

[Irish Rover]

some of us have spent our professional lifetime in this field

Sorry. I was just raking the Michael. Your undoubted expertise was clear from your contributions.

 

[DangerousPirate]

"Anatolia" means "East" in Greek, because it was the land to the East of their mainland Greece. So, farming was spread to Europe from the East such as "Mesopotamia" by the Babylonians and Assyrians; the word Meso-potamia means the "Land between Rivers" in Greek; the rivers Euphrates and Tigris were named by the Persians. Has nothing to do with Turks; anything Turkish came a few thousand years later. By the way, both rivers were navigational in the ancient times unlike nowadays where the dams have restricted navigation.

Literal semantics. The Anatolians being discussed were Neolithic farmers from Anatolia, long before the Seljuks and the arrival of Turkic peoples there. The Greek etymology of Anatolia and Mesopotamia is interesting, but irrelevant to the point.

There are about 4900 years between the neolithic farmers settling in the UK and the Selcuq arriving in their former territory.

 

[vas]

late to the party...
since you seem to have sorted all historical issues (not my field, so I'll skip), I'd like to point some things which I feel are not stated clearly enough imho.

Proper marinas with marineros and staff checking lines, calling you if there's an issue, security gates, etc are probably a dozen or two in the whole of Greece (outside Athens on the top of my head I can list Kavala, Lesvos, Pythagorion...).
OK, I'm greek, I travel around, by no means I've been to every island and port all around (life's too short) but the point is that proper marinas are scarce in GR.

City ports/walls however you call them, there are plenty! most are "managed" by the local authorities, who will charge per day or in designated areas will give annual spots for a set amount. Spots means you get your own anchors/engineblocks/concrete blocks whatever you want to throw in the sea, your chains and ropes. All yours.

As mentioned already, getting spots can be tricky, and there are long waiting lists in many places. You can get a spot for a foreign flagged boat (my neighbour is german on a swiss flagged bavaria). However, you definitely CANNOT just leave a boat in the port and leave the country for six months... I mean you can but better have someone taking care of it, checking lines and have your phone for any emergencies. Typically in smaller ports one covers the other.
My boat is 400metres from home, if I happen to pass by on my way to the city centre, I'll just drive by and make sure it's till there, I may visit one a week or two depending on weather and workload. My mate three boats across is a regular so he's keeping an eye. But there definitely is no safety and or security there...

I guess OP has some reasons to want Aegina, although it's a lovely place, it's too close to Athens and thus way too busy in the summer. If at all possible I'd try some other island further away from Athens (and definitely not the fancy Cyclades, nor Crete which is a non boaty island). Either Ionian or central northern Aegean would be my pick.

V