How to get an annual berth in greece in a municipial harbour?

[DangerousPirate]

There is a commercial marina on Aegina but I doubt that berths come up very often. Our friend Hlias (Ilias) has a boat there. You may be able to find him as he is well known. He would be a good man to advise.

What's the commercial marina called? I only know the port in aegina (town)?

 

[dunedin]

What's the commercial marina called? I only know the port in aegina (town)?

Possibly the one labelled “Aegina Marina” listed on Google Maps, on the NW side?

 

[billskip]

Possibly the one labelled “Aegina Marina” listed on Google Maps, on the NW side?

They are not marinas,they are boat yards.
AFAIK there is not a marina on Aegina.
I was there for 6 years and knew nearly every inch of the island,

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

Aegina is a lovely island, can get very busy due to the proximity to Athens. I spent many summers there and Spetses island when i was growing up, living in Athens. Agia Marina, in Aegina, has a marina, very busy with charter boats. All the marinas in the islands in the Saronic are very popular and almost impossible to get a space. Poros, Ydra, Spetses, Porto-Heli are very pricey and popular with the Athenians. In Pireaus and all along the coast of Athens, there are many marinas (Zea Marina, Microlimano etc) but it is impossible to get a space. Salamina island is much cheaper to moor a boat. There are so many islands that you can get a space for your boat, but those islands are far away from Athens.
Greece is the same as the UK, it's who you know that matters. Local residents have preferential treatment, and some of the harbours / marinas are owned by the town residents and I am lucky to have the right to a mooring in the nearby harbour as I have a seaside house there, so very often, there is no much room for visiting boats or non local residents, unless you know someone who can help you to secure a space. Yes, the Greeks love bureaucracy and it drives me mad. Who you know, matters a lot, like in the UK. I kept my boat for a number of years in Southampton water, enjoying the brilliant Solent, only because I just happen to know someone. Finding a place to moor your boat permanently around Attiki and the nearby islands, its difficult and it can be very very expensive. So, I strongly suggest that you actively mix with the locals, where you intend to buy a house, get to know the individuals who know how the system works, learn a bit of Greek, and eventually you will find a mooring space. Sailing in Greece is magnificent.

 

[billskip]

Agia Marina, in Aegina, has a marina

I think there must be a misunderstanding of a marina in my view..I understand a marina to be different to a harbour or port.
Yes there are harbour's,ports, pontoon and jetty's but nothing I would consider a marina like for instance Zea or Kalamaki, even on a smaller scale.

 

[vyv_cox]

I think there must be a misunderstanding of a marina in my view..I understand a marina to be different to a harbour or port.
Yes there are harbour's,ports, pontoon and jetty's but nothing I would consider a marina like for instance Zea or Kalamaki, even on a smaller scale.

Maybe a nomenclature issue. There is a paid port to starboard on entering the harbour. Privately owned berths. My friend Hlias has a boat there and arranged a berth for me there a few years ago for a couple of nights.

 

[dunedin]

I think there must be a misunderstanding of a marina in my view..I understand a marina to be different to a harbour or port.
Yes there are harbour's,ports, pontoon and jetty's but nothing I would consider a marina like for instance Zea or Kalamaki, even on a smaller scale.

Not sure what your definition is of a “marina”, but any place with a lot of leisure craft lined up on dedicated facilities counts as that in my book.
This does look rather marine like to me

 

[billskip]

Not sure what your definition is of a “marina”,

That looks like Aegina port harbour, the outer area is for small open fishing boats and no "private " boats were allowed, the port, typical of many Greek island ports were for visitors not permanent, and likely be a day rate, unlikely to get permanent place unless you are a comercial fishing boat. On the left is where the flying dolphins ferries would stop and the big car ferries outside.

 

[billskip]

Not sure what your definition is of a “marina

These are what I consider marina, where one gets permanent/long stay contract/agreement.

 

[billskip]

Not sure what your definition is of a “marina

Also the majority of boats there are "stearn to" and the risk of your anchor getting lifted and your boat bouncing off the wall is quite high,if left unattended.
I moored regularly in there, often had the anchor lifted ,crossed, entangled with charter boats. Not a place to leave a boat unattended like one can in a marina.

 

[st599]

There's also a harbour in Perdika that had space for a variety of boats and one street of shops.

I seem to remember a place on the North coast that was used for storage of boats over winter,. perhaps you could dry berth there.

 

[vyv_cox]

That looks like Aegina port harbour, the outer area is for small open fishing boats and no "private " boats were allowed, the port, typical of many Greek island ports were for visitors not permanent, and likely be a day rate, unlikely to get permanent place unless you are a comercial fishing boat. On the left is where the flying dolphins ferries would stop and the big car ferries outside.

I think you will find that the boats on the breakwater and some of the ones on the first pontoon are privately owned. Our friend berths his at the breakwater and I remember an Oyster 37 berthed close by him. When we stayed there we were on the pontoon, amongst several other yachts, all stern-to with buoys at the bow.

 

[billskip]

I think you will find that the boats on the breakwater and some of the ones on the first pontoon are privately owned. Our friend berths his at the breakwater and I remember an Oyster 37 berthed close by him. When we stayed there we were on the pontoon, amongst several other yachts, all stern-to with buoys at the bow.

I was just speaking to a friend ( Greek)who is there, lived there all his life, is "Involved" with the port authourity, and he says it is not run as a "marina".and there are no "marinas"as such on Aegina, there are ship yards and boat wintering storage, repairs maintenance everything you need, but not a marina. I have known this friend and his family since 1998, and I trust what he tells me.he also says to get a permanent place needs a lot of hoops jumping through.

 

[vyv_cox]

I was just speaking to a friend ( Greek)who is there, lived there all his life, is "Involved" with the port authourity, and he says it is not run as a "marina".and there are no "marinas"as such on Aegina, there are ship yards and boat wintering storage, repairs maintenance everything you need, but not a marina. I have known this friend and his family since 1998, and I trust what he tells me.he also says to get a permanent place needs a lot of hoops jumping through.

I agree, it is far from a 'marina' but it is a place where permanent berths are available for money. Whether they are available to the OP is another matter.

 

[DangerousPirate]

Aegina is a lovely island, can get very busy due to the proximity to Athens. I spent many summers there and Spetses island when i was growing up, living in Athens. Agia Marina, in Aegina, has a marina, very busy with charter boats. All the marinas in the islands in the Saronic are very popular and almost impossible to get a space. Poros, Ydra, Spetses, Porto-Heli are very pricey and popular with the Athenians. In Pireaus and all along the coast of Athens, there are many marinas (Zea Marina, Microlimano etc) but it is impossible to get a space. Salamina island is much cheaper to moor a boat. There are so many islands that you can get a space for your boat, but those islands are far away from Athens.
Greece is the same as the UK, it's who you know that matters. Local residents have preferential treatment, and some of the harbours / marinas are owned by the town residents and I am lucky to have the right to a mooring in the nearby harbour as I have a seaside house there, so very often, there is no much room for visiting boats or non local residents, unless you know someone who can help you to secure a space. Yes, the Greeks love bureaucracy and it drives me mad. Who you know, matters a lot, like in the UK. I kept my boat for a number of years in Southampton water, enjoying the brilliant Solent, only because I just happen to know someone. Finding a place to moor your boat permanently around Attiki and the nearby islands, its difficult and it can be very very expensive. So, I strongly suggest that you actively mix with the locals, where you intend to buy a house, get to know the individuals who know how the system works, learn a bit of Greek, and eventually you will find a mooring space. Sailing in Greece is magnificent.

I have just been told in here that agia marina is just a hotel and has no landing facilities? See a few pages back.

I think there must be a misunderstanding of a marina in my view..I understand a marina to be different to a harbour or port.
Yes there are harbour's,ports, pontoon and jetty's but nothing I would consider a marina like for instance Zea or Kalamaki, even on a smaller scale.

I was talking about the municipial port shown below. You may call it a marina, I personally wouldn't as to me marinas are always private, but it's an umbrella term to some.

Not sure what your definition is of a “marina”, but any place with a lot of leisure craft lined up on dedicated facilities counts as that in my book.
This does look rather marine like to me
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It's definitely a marina like establishment. It's even called marina. So whatever you wnt to call it, there is something there. And that would be the best spot for me to go, where I try to get in.

Either way, that's just semantics. I know of this port/marina/boat parking lot already and was asking if ther eis another, as it was implied. There seems to be conflicting info about Agia Marina.

 

[DangerousPirate]

I agree, it is far from a 'marina' but it is a place where permanent berths are available for money. Whether they are available to the OP is another matter.

In theory they are, in practice I am not sure. Hence the thread. There is a very long waiting list apparently.

I'll have to have a look when I fly over.

 

[billskip]

I'll have to have a look when I fly over

Most certainly the best idea..

 

[Dellquay13]

I have just been told in here that agia marina is just a hotel and has no landing facilities? See a few pages back.

I was talking about the municipial port shown below. You may call it a marina, I personally wouldn't as to me marinas are always private, but it's an umbrella term to some.

It's definitely a marina like establishment. It's even called marina. So whatever you wnt to call it, there is something there. And that would be the best spot for me to go, where I try to get in.

Either way, that's just semantics. I know of this port/marina/boat parking lot already and was asking if ther eis another, as it was implied. There seems to be conflicting info about Agia Marina.

I think part of this confusion is the name, it’s Saint Marina, the Greek orthodox matron saint of pregnant women. A church, a relatively rare place name long before people bought yachts and needed somewhere to keep them.

 

[DangerousPirate]

Most certainly the best idea..

Yeah, I thought someone here could help me but we can't even make out how many marinas and harbours are on the small island
Let alone figure out how to get a spot in them when the official answer is that there is an waiting list that hasn't moved down since 11 years.

 

[DangerousPirate]

I think part of this confusion is the name, it’s Saint Marina, the Greek orthodox matron saint of pregnant women. A church, a relatively rare place name long before people bought yachts and needed somewhere to keep them.

That explains the name and makes a lot of sense. Didn't know this. Thanks.