Hoses removed from water points

[Outinthedinghy]

I imagine most people are aware of this but the EA are removing the hose reels. I think it's a elfin safety issue.

I was at Hurley earlier today, not needing the water point but noticed the hose has gone and the tap has a complicated non return valve which it turns out needs to have "no downstream pressure or water will come out of the vent holes".

Bloke on a narrow boat plugged his hose in and it just sent water out of the vent holes.

So it's useless basically.

I don't know if they have all been done but I can foresee some significant queueueueing for water points once the boating season kicks in.

Those fire hoses did discharge water at quite a rapid rate whereas a normal tap, specially with a silly valve on it, will take discharge a fraction of the volume.

Crazy idea. I imagine it was an elfin safety bod with a form then the fitters just went and did their job.

Anyone thinking of boating and using fresh water Good Luck With That.

 

[Rappey]

It's a wras water regulation that prohibits hose pipes left outside in a marine environment. This came in a few years ago so surprised it's taken this long for EA to comply.

 

[boatone]

I was only informed a few days ago that this alteration to water points was taking place.
I have asked for a clear statement to river users together with details of connections to be circulated ASAP.
Did you notice are the connectors “hozelok” type or threaded brass ?

 

[Rappey]

It's been regulation for ages that a non return valve has to be in line.
What you have sounds very strange

 

[boatone]

It's a wras water regulation that prohibits hose pipes left outside in a marine environment. This came in a few years ago so surprised it's taken this long for EA to comply.

Im surprised you are surprised .......

 

[Rappey]

Im surprised you are surprised

2018 was when it came to be law so any operator not having sufficient backflow prevention and anti syphoning are wide open to criminal prosecution.
A hose on a tap by water can be classed as a syphon risk therefore every operator had to remove them.
There was also a health concern about hoses being left in the sun and then a water tank being filled so now you have to provide your own hose.

 

[ashtead]

I cannot think of a south coast marina which has hoses on tap but most have one in the marina office if asked. Given what some marina hoses can be used for I can understand how they might not be healthy. Most hoses were sold off for charity I think.

 

[Plum]

I imagine most people are aware of this but the EA are removing the hose reels. I think it's a elfin safety issue.

I was at Hurley earlier today, not needing the water point but noticed the hose has gone and the tap has a complicated non return valve which it turns out needs to have "no downstream pressure or water will come out of the vent holes".

Bloke on a narrow boat plugged his hose in and it just sent water out of the vent holes.

So it's useless basically.

I don't know if they have all been done but I can foresee some significant queueueueing for water points once the boating season kicks in.

Those fire hoses did discharge water at quite a rapid rate whereas a normal tap, specially with a silly valve on it, will take discharge a fraction of the volume.

Crazy idea. I imagine it was an elfin safety bod with a form then the fitters just went and did their job.

Anyone thinking of boating and using fresh water Good Luck With That.

There are very few marinas now, around the UK and on the continent, who still have hoses. It's becoming normal to use your own hose.

www.solocoastalsailing.co.uk

 

[Outinthedinghy]

I know but I was thinking of how it has slowed things down too much.

There was a £48 anti Syphon valve on it with a hozelock type fitting. The thing just sent water out the sides when connected to a hose.


It had a website printed on it and a part number I did do a search on my phone but can't remember and it's not in my history.

It was designed for lab taps.

 

[plumbob]

I imagine most people are aware of this but the EA are removing the hose reels. I think it's a elfin safety issue.

I was at Hurley earlier today, not needing the water point but noticed the hose has gone and the tap has a complicated non return valve which it turns out needs to have "no downstream pressure or water will come out of the vent holes".

Bloke on a narrow boat plugged his hose in and it just sent water out of the vent holes.

So it's useless basically.

I don't know if they have all been done but I can foresee some significant queueueueing for water points once the boating season kicks in.

Those fire hoses did discharge water at quite a rapid rate whereas a normal tap, specially with a silly valve on it, will take discharge a fraction of the volume.

Crazy idea. I imagine it was an elfin safety bod with a form then the fitters just went and did their job.

Anyone thinking of boating and using fresh water Good Luck With That.

Stable door and horses come to mind. Can't wait to see 3 or 4 narrow boats queueing up to take on 200 gallons each with a 1/2" hose and the wrong size fittings for the tap. Are they going to remove the handle of the tap too, in case the virus is passed on?

 

[Plum]

I know but I was thinking of how it has slowed things down too much.

There was a £48 anti Syphon valve on it with a hozelock type fitting. The thing just sent water out the sides when connected to a hose.


It had a website printed on it and a part number I did do a search on my phone but can't remember and it's not in my history.

It was designed for lab taps.

Was it one of these? Anti-Siphon Adaptor with AUK3 Tap Air Gap(1000/551) – LabHub

www.solocoastalsailing.co.uk

 

[Rappey]

Was it one of these?

Can you imagine if marinas are forced to fit these type of anti siphon devices ?
Maybe it's time to invent a bucket with cordless pump to put under tap so a hose can be used.

 

[Scapegoat]

Was it one of these? Anti-Siphon Adaptor with AUK3 Tap Air Gap(1000/551) – LabHub

www.solocoastalsailing.co.uk

If it’s one of those, I see it just unscrews from the fitting. Suspect it might get unscrewed, at least temporarily.

 

[Never Grumble]

When I see how some people treat their hoses it makes me very happy to have to use my own.

 

[Outinthedinghy]

Was it one of these? Anti-Siphon Adaptor with AUK3 Tap Air Gap(1000/551) – LabHub

www.solocoastalsailing.co.uk

This item is what is fitted at Hurley.

DC257 from Arrow Valves

Arrow Valves

It has a "hozelock" type quick connect fitting but the water comes out of 4 holes above rather than going through the hose.

 

[Outinthedinghy]

Can you imagine if marinas are forced to fit these type of anti siphon devices ?
Maybe it's time to invent a bucket with cordless pump to put under tap so a hose can be used.

Own clean bucket and a bilge pump with delivery hose sounds rather sensible.

 

[Outinthedinghy]

If it’s one of those, I see it just unscrews from the fitting. Suspect it might get unscrewed, at least temporarily.

It would have made sense to have put more than one tap on so that two boats could fill at the same time from the same supply.

Yes the backsiphon fitting would unscrew leaving a standard tap with a thread onto which one can screw one's own "hozelock" adapter or other normal threaded hose fitting.


The anti siphon thing makes the tap virtually useless.

 

[TrueBlue]

Softly, softly catchee monkey - remove all the nice features while all the boats (those that actually move anyway) are privily tucked up in their marinas.
Although we have lovely, beautiful, clear water on our mooring - it was great to fast flowing Thames water delivered in rapid time when bunkering further upstream.

Mark my words - next it will be the rubbish disposal, large dumpsters replaced by poncy domestic bins (to discourage use you understand).
Turn off the 'leccy out of hours to discourage boaters using the locks - as it used to be not that many years ago. Indeed how about replacing the hydraulics with balance beans such as used above Oxenford.

 

[Plum]

This item is what is fitted at Hurley.

DC257 from Arrow Valves

Arrow Valves

It has a "hozelock" type quick connect fitting but the water comes out of 4 holes above rather than going through the hose.

Ok thanks. That one, like the one I showed, will only work if there is no restriction to flow downstream of the valve. If you connect a hose with a sprayer/trigger/controller on the other/boat end the water will spray out of that anti-syphon valve until the downstream restriction is cleared. It will also not work with one of the crinkly expanding hoses as they rely on back-pressure to keep them expanded.

Www.solocoastalsailing.co.uk

 

[Outinthedinghy]

Even on free flow it restricts the water flow to a very narrow stream more remeniscent of what a gentleman might be able to produce after a few pints.

A quite back of envelope calculation, having used the same water point myself to load a tonne of water a couple of weeks ago, is that it will now take 5 times longer.

I did once split the seam on a polyprop tank on one of my narrowboats at Cookham years ago with the big chubb fire hose. They shifted a lot of water.

I agree with removing the hoses but I feel that a decent tap and associated fittings should be provided or it's going to cause chaos.

The bucket and bilge pump is spot on and exactly what Steve SRB suggested to me when I told him about the issue yesterday.