dylanwinter
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now that a forumite has volunteered we stand a chance of finding out how the journey unfolds
I await with baited breath. I myself love following a journey.
Experienced crew wanted Preston-Brighton 10/5/14 ish
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now that a forumite has volunteered we stand a chance of finding out how the journey unfolds
I await with baited breath. I myself love following a journey.
Wandering Star
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Not sure myself, do we know if the boats inventory includes an electric toaster?
Lakesailor
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Bound to
sand_dune
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I'll be mostly busy then away till Wednesday. Please don't expect much forum activity on my behalf until I'm back.
JumbleDuck
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I'm not trying to be negative, honest I'm not, but I just don't think you're giving enough detail for people to decide whether they are interested. I might have been, but not while simple questions like "Who will be skipper?" are met with stonewalling and contradictory replies.
Good luck. I hope it goes well and that you have a great time.
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JumbleDuck
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Post 44 I suggested a cruise in company
Contacting Eleanor is not necessarily a bad idea. She seems to have a fair amount of experience and might find it useful to scout out her trip in someone else's boat first.
Uricanejack
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Davegriff
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Interesting thread. The passage the OP wishes to undertake is of course perfectly feasable as we all know. It may be just the cageyness of the OP, but I seem to detect, and I hope I'm wrong, more than a touch of niaivety on his part. He says he has bought a boat on a single viewing on the strength that the broker and previous owners seem like nice fellows and his 'commodore' approves. He says he doesn't have much experience, but doesn't feel a survey is necessary.
He has not the inkling of a proper passage plan, and its interesting to note that the crew for the most challenging leg of the trip, Holyhead to Falmouth has, 'gone sick'. Not sure if the op hopes to call into a marina or two on this leg, but he won't find much shelter at all apart from Milford Haven unless he's very lucky with the tides.
If this is not a troll, I wish him luck and every success. I for one would not sail with him as skipper nor skipper for him.
He has not the inkling of a proper passage plan, and its interesting to note that the crew for the most challenging leg of the trip, Holyhead to Falmouth has, 'gone sick'. Not sure if the op hopes to call into a marina or two on this leg, but he won't find much shelter at all apart from Milford Haven unless he's very lucky with the tides.
If this is not a troll, I wish him luck and every success. I for one would not sail with him as skipper nor skipper for him.
xyachtdave
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Short listed....??
I'm imagining a line of YBW's Forum contributors stood on the pontoon and the OP marching up and down drill instructor style quizzing them on their experience.
'Stand up straight you maggot and tell me about your RYA qualifications!'
The lucky few get to join the crew.
jerrytug
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dylanwinter
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I have always found that optimism and ignorance to be most excellent sailing companions - I set out hoping that the weather and tides will behave, that the boat will not break or sink. I sail with very little knowledge of the precise details of the ports ahead. I too am heading off on a long journey in a new to me boat - bought without the benefit of a survey from a very nice man - at this stage I have no passage plan other than to leave Chichester harbour on the 18th of this month with enough food onboard for six days and nights for three blokes.
I also cannot guarantee that I will not get seasick - can anyone?
I do hope a forumite joins him and starts a thread about his experiences
It sound to me as though this chap is in a much better state for a journey like this than several people I have encountered along the way
he is probably better prepared than our dear friend Nathan was when he set out - although Nathan had impeccable web manners in his favour
I have no idea what happened to this chap who was planning to head to Bordeaux to do some grape picking
http://www.keepturningleft.co.uk/blogs/so-there-i-was-on-the-pontoon-at-gainsborough/
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Tintin
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fergie_mac66
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hmm I believe you willbe going that way in few years time perhaps you could do a enticer , a film view of things to come
Tintin
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Dylan, I know the point you are trying to make and I agree with you BUT the big difference is you have experience, the OP does not. Worse, he is dismissing perfectly reasonable suggestions about crew and surveys, egged on by you a bit (stirer
) , and is clearly naive.Now if this were a ditch crawl in a small boat like your old one then I would say go for it, but it isn't is it. There are some significant tidal gates, some of the UKs most challenging sailing, it is a large boat, and the OP has little clue about passage planning, boat systems, and from what I can make out, boat and crew safety.
You commented on sailing accident stats a while back. Of the accidents the majority are down to ill prepared boats, unchecked kit, poor planning, inexperience, with a fair smattering of those that are over confident about their skills.
He may make it, or he will endanger RNLI crew and any foolish person that accepts him as skipper.
It is one thing taking risks with your own life, quite another putting others at risk.
I hope the OP sees sense and maybe someone from here could cast an eye over the boat and make some reccomendations.
Davegriff
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I am with you, Dylan, on much of what you say, and am all for relaxed sailing, purchasing of boats etc. Do it myself. My concern here is that I am getting mixed messages from the OP. He tells us very little, and whilst admitting his experience is 'limited' on several occasions, appears to me to be demonstrating how 'worldy wise' he is. Perhaps I'm just reading too much into his posts, and perhaps he is right that 'rare' boats are well maintained, but over-confidence is a very dangerous thing at sea.
Can't imagine why he would wish to duck-out of so many questions re the passage - If I'm gonna be out for 2-3 days along this coast, I like people to know my plans, and asking for crew and expecting volunteers on an 'undercover' basis is a bit rich IMO.
As I don't know the man I cannot comment on his experience or otherwise. I base my judgement on the OP's attitute, which I find strange for a sailor.
dylanwinter
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Dylan, I know the point you are trying to make and I agree with you BUT the big difference is you have experience, the OP does not. Worse, he is dismissing perfectly reasonable suggestions about crew and surveys, egged on by you a bit (stirer
Now if this were a ditch crawl in a small boat like your old one then I would say go for it, but it isn't is it. There are some significant tidal gates, some of the UKs most challenging sailing, it is a large boat, and the OP has little clue about passage planning, boat systems, and from what I can make out, boat and crew safety.
You commented on sailing accident stats a while back. Of the accidents the majority are down to ill prepared boats, unchecked kit, poor planning, inexperience, with a fair smattering of those that are over confident about their skills.
He may make it, or he will endanger RNLI crew and any foolish person that accepts him as skipper.
It is one thing taking risks with your own life, quite another putting others at risk.
I hope the OP sees sense and maybe someone from here could cast an eye over the boat and make some reccomendations.
If I had a pound for every time I was told not to do something along my small journey then I would have many hundreds of pounds.
of course,in order to get from one ditch to another one has to sail out to sea a little - passing through a few tidal gates between the solent and scotland
so although I relish the ditch crawling I also have to go out to sea to get to the next ditch - and the slug was a much, much worse boat than the Colvic
I have noticed that in most ports it is easy to find people who are frightened of their own patch - they own immobile boats
The Wash, the Thames, Wells bar, the Humber - in all these places I have come across people pleading with me to stay in port with them for fear of the monsters
we have immaculate weather forecasts (windguru is deadly accurate three days ahead), excellent nav aids, almost perfect communications - and if he ends up calling in the emergency services to tow him in - I see nothing really wrong with that - the crew will enjoy the call out, the RNLI is hardly short of cash. I am sure that I have personally given them enough money over the years to cover the cost of bringing him into the nearest port.
if his engine keeps going all will be fine
I am a bit concerned that he brushed aside my only suggestion which was to take an umbrella
granted his his web manner is not all it could be so (and he is not alone in that) so I would rather not sail with him.... but then I am sure there are many forumites who would rather not sail with me.
I am learning a lot about sailors from this thread
seemingly well found yacht, optimistic bloke, plenty of money, asking some sensible questions and deciding which answers he likes
when I asked recently on here about my engine overheating I was told to take the head off and soak the block in vinegar - instead it needed a smear of vaseline around the water separator so you have to take a call on the advice on offer no matter how well meaning it is
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Davegriff
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Now that is the best suggestion yet. If the OP is genuine and really is seeking help from the forum, surely he'll take up such an offer if made (and I'm certain many of us would). Not taking bets on it though, I'm afraid.
Unless, maybe, he was issued a Yachmasters whilst in the secret service or summat...... Tell us and he'll have to kill us all...
Lakesailor
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Worse than that. It may be a revenge troll.
fergie_mac66
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after the ellie thread and in combination with the fact that many people worry about the internet security issues vis a v the sailing club forum thread, being cagey is no surprise
dom
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If your RNLI comment is tongue in cheek (as I suspect) then I agree with your sentiments; almost all of them. But if you're seriously suggesting a:
"Hey Ho Let's Just Go - Just and call the RNLI if it starts to blow" attitude
...that's more than a little irresponsible ....and somewhat unfair to the RNLI volunteers ....and may rack up a fuel/maintenance far above what you might imagine ...of course you know all of this ...and if you don't please don't take up flying!