ETIAS

[Hurricane]

ETIAS is getting nearer.
This link was posted on our marina forum.
I thought it might be interesting on here as well.
EU Releases One-Year Timeline of ETIAS Launch

This link outlines the roll out schedule.
Comes from the "horses mouth" so should be accurate.
However it has been delayed before so maybe it will be delayed again.

It is important to note that this ISN'T a visa and does nothing for the 90/180 day Schengen rule.
However, IMO, it will provide the authorities evidence of movement of people.
I'm sure a system like this could be indexed very quickly to provide a list of people out staying their Schengen requirements.

That said, we are hoping to see individual country visa schemes in the future that will allow Non-Europeans to stay longer than the 90/180 days.
I heard that France are about to operate such a scheme - for me, a similar scheme in Spain would be useful to me.

 

[billskip]

I heard that France are about to operate such a scheme - for me, a similar scheme in Spain would be useful to me

It'll come, I think the next 5 years is going to see change......

 

[DavidJ]

Until all are signed up I wonder what will happen if you arrive at Santander and depart Calais.
I guess a parallel manual and ETIAS system for some time.

 

[billskip]

Until all are signed up I wonder what will happen if you arrive at Santander and depart Calais.
I guess a parallel manual and ETIAS system for some time.

Surely your details will come up on any screen in the schengen/EU in the border control...?

 

[st599]

ETIAS is getting nearer.
This link was posted on our marina forum.
I thought it might be interesting on here as well.
EU Releases One-Year Timeline of ETIAS Launch

This link outlines the roll out schedule.
Comes from the "horses mouth" so should be accurate.
However it has been delayed before so maybe it will be delayed again.

It is important to note that this ISN'T a visa and does nothing for the 90/180 day Schengen rule.
However, IMO, it will provide the authorities evidence of movement of people.
I'm sure a system like this could be indexed very quickly to provide a list of people out staying their Schengen requirements.

That said, we are hoping to see individual country visa schemes in the future that will allow Non-Europeans to stay longer than the 90/180 days.
I heard that France are about to operate such a scheme - for me, a similar scheme in Spain would be useful to me.

France already has a 6 month tourist visa, problem is the funds required.

ETIAS won't automate evidence of movement, the separate EES does that.

Surely your details will come up on any screen in the schengen/EU in the border control...?

Nope, each country has it's own system and database, so it's all done on passport stamp dates. In October 24 the EES system rolls out which replaces stamps with biometric scans and centralises the database, automating overstay calculation.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

It's EES that tracks your Schengen 90/180 limit, not ETIAS.

Key differences between ETIAS and the EES

Travellers will need to apply for an ETIAS travel authorisation well in advance of starting their trip to Europe, whereas registration with the EES occurs at the external border of the 29 countries using the system.

ETIAS and the EES will not be launched at the same time. The EES will become operational first and ETIAS will follow a few months after.

The exact dates will be announced by the EU later this year.

A summary of all the EUs IT systems for tracking and managing immigration can be found here ...

https://www.eulisa.europa.eu/Activities/Large-Scale-It-Systems

 

[billskip]

@Baggy+st599
Yes this maybe now, but in the near future I think it will all be on one system, the system will allow for country individual special Visa..

You will be controlled......

 

[DavidJ]

Not suggesting IT systems can be unreliable but I’ll be keeping my own manual system records as well.

 

[billskip]

Not suggesting IT systems can be unreliable but I’ll be keeping my own manual system records as well.

you can keep all the records you like, but if push comes to shove...my money would be on the authorities.
Anyways although all this has a knock on affect to your every day person, its really designed to control/monitor the "not so innocent "

 

[Baggywrinkle]

@Baggy+st599
Yes this maybe now, but in the near future I think it will all be on one system, the system will allow for country individual special Visa..

You will be controlled......

I won't, I'm German, so the Schengen area is my sailing playground already.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

@Baggy+st599
Yes this maybe now, but in the near future I think it will all be on one system, the system will allow for country individual special Visa..

You will be controlled......

A country specific VISA is also a Schengen Type D VISA.

Schengen Visa Types & Validity, Duration of Stay & Visa Sticker

National Visas (Type D)​

The national visa (the D category) is granted to individuals who intend to study, work, or establish permanent residence in a Schengen country. Like the Schengen (C) Visa, they also allow freedom of movement within the Schengen Area, but they only allow you to work, study, or live in the Schengen country that issued it.

Duration of National Visa​

National visas are issued for a maximum duration of one year. A foreign national who holds a valid national visa (D) can travel within the territories of the Schengen Area as long as their stay does not exceed 90 days within a 180-day period.

Once you have a National Visa, you may obtain the relevant residence permit to live in a specific Schengen country long-term or permanently. (In contrast, you cannot obtain a residence permit if you enter the Schengen Area with a C Visa.)

Types of National Visas​

National (D) Visas are typically issued for the following reasons:

• To study in a Schengen country for longer than three months
• To work in a Schengen country
• To move to a Schengen country for family reunification with an EU national (e.g., your spouse)
• For “Work and Travel” programs
• For retirement in a Schengen country
• For investment or setting up a business in a Schengen country
• For working in a Schengen country as a digital nomad

The national visa or type D visa is issued by the consular authorities of the intended Schengen country in accordance with national legislation.
Therefore it is necessary to contact the services of the country to know the different conditions and formalities that need to be met. Under certain conditions it can be granted as either a single or a multiple-entry Long-stay visa.

 

[billskip]

A country specific VISA is also a Schengen Type D VISA.

Schengen Visa Types & Validity, Duration of Stay & Visa Sticker

Th (type D) as it says is for those intention on establishing residence....
Not those that want to keep from at 180.
I think, as has been mentioned...most countries if not all will give an easier access to a 180, once the ball starts rolling...they need our money....
We may look at it as a loss, but they are also recognizing a loss.

 

[petem]

Not suggesting IT systems can be unreliable but I’ll be keeping my own manual system records as well.

Let's hope it's not Fujitsu!

 

[Alicatt]

Th (type D) as it says is for those intention on establishing residence....
Not those that want to keep from at 180.
I think, as has been mentioned...most countries if not all will give an easier access to a 180, once the ball starts rolling...they need our money....
We may look at it as a loss, but they are also recognizing a loss.

The EU offered the 180 days in 365 but it was rejected by Johnson.

 

[Alicatt]

Let's hope it's not Fujitsu!

Well as it is Fujitsu-Siemans it sounds appropriate

 

[Baggywrinkle]

Th (type D) as it says is for those intention on establishing residence....
Not those that want to keep from at 180.
I think, as has been mentioned...most countries if not all will give an easier access to a 180, once the ball starts rolling...they need our money....
We may look at it as a loss, but they are also recognizing a loss.

"they need our money"? ... 99% of tourist income is fine with the existing 90/180 rules - millions of non-EU holiday makers per year on one or two week holidays - the percentage on top from extending entitlement from 90 to 180 days is well into the territory of diminishing returns.

Type D is indeed for establishing residence, because that is where the money comes from on long stays - all countries want the tax income from foreign sourced pensions, earnings, and investments, not just resident holiday makers whose financial affairs are taxed elsewhere.

Residence is already mandated for EU citizens exercising EU FoM beyond 90 days - all EU citizens are required to register in a new country after 3 months residence - prove economic viability, switch to the host countries tax and social securty system, register cars, switch driving licences, switch to the host countries healthcare system.

EU FoM beyond 3 months, and Type D Visas are about establishing residence and a basis for taxation of people staying for more than 3 months.

Why would any EU country make an exception for U.K. citizens, step back from the current rules and give U.K. citizens tax-free long term residence?

 

[billskip]

"they need our money"? ... 99% of tourist income is fine with the existing 90/180 rules - millions of non-EU holiday makers per year on one or two week holidays - the percentage on top from extending entitlement from 90 to 180 days is well into the territory of diminishing returns.

Type D is indeed for establishing residence, because that is where the money comes from on long stays - all countries want the tax income from foreign sourced pensions, earnings, and investments, not just resident holiday makers whose financial affairs are taxed elsewhere.

Residence is already mandated for EU citizens exercising EU FoM beyond 90 days - all EU citizens are required to register in a new country after 3 months residence - prove economic viability, switch to the host countries tax and social securty system, register cars, switch driving licences, switch to the host countries healthcare system.

EU FoM beyond 3 months, and Type D Visas are about establishing residence and a basis for taxation of people staying for more than 3 months.

Why would any EU country make an exception for U.K. citizens, step back from the current rules and give U.K. citizens tax-free long term residence?

You keep bringing 'residence' into this...
I'm referring to those that want fom mor than 90, not wanting residence.
You can quote all the arguments you like, but in amongst your quotes you refer to finance ( ok tax ) but its still all about money and control.
Too many Brits were taking advantage of the 180 and receiving all the handouts..this has upst a lot of that, also you say about the regulations re the 90 fom of the EU people, well yes it's the regulations but as always said how is anybody going to know if they dont abide.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

You keep bringing 'residence' into this...
I'm referring to those that want fom mor than 90, not wanting residence.
You can quote all the arguments you like, but in amongst your quotes you refer to finance ( ok tax ) but its still all about money and control.
Too many Brits were taking advantage of the 180 and receiving all the handouts..this has upst a lot of that, also you say about the regulations re the 90 fom of the EU people, well yes it's the regulations but as always said how is anybody going to know if they dont abide.

What handouts? You can't get any handouts without registering.

Many Brits were staying in their retirement flats on the Costa del whatever over winter without registering their presence, I agree. It backfired on them.

Those are the ones now facing problems trying to prove entitlement to long-stay visas under the withdrawal agreement, because the countries they were in have no record of their presence - they never registered with the authorities so apart from a property purchase at some time in the past, they are off the radar.

Rules for EU citizens are here ...

Registering residence abroad after the first 3 months - Your Europe

... and yes, many Brits didn't follow them when the U.K. was in the E.U.

 

[billskip]

What handouts? You can't get any handouts without registering.

I think we are crossed, I'm referring to Brits that could go abroad say Canaries/Spain for 6+months winter and retain their driving licence make no declaration to the British gov. recieve winter fuel allowance and any other extra that was on offer.
Nobody knew where they were, now its getting a little more difficult.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

I think we are crossed, I'm referring to Brits that could go abroad say Canaries/Spain for 6+months winter and retain their driving licence make no declaration to the British gov. recieve winter fuel allowance and any other extra that was on offer.
Nobody knew where they were, now its getting a little more difficult.

... ahhh .. U.K. handouts. Yes, I guess they can get those.