Cardigan Bay will be closed to shipping weekdays from 6th to 24th June

[cherod]

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I don't think freedom is too big a word to use. Given the current situation a bit east of here and one of the personalities involved, we may need whatever they're testing to work sooner than we think.

Well done Qinetiq for the inner passage. I would think a good proportion of countries of the world would just get on with the live firing, possible announcing in advance, possibly not (security, innit). If you're in the way, tough luck.

There are a lot of people “ somewhere just east of here “ suffering for your “ freedom “ ?

 

[sarabande]

“ freedome “ , thsts a joke ?

Not your freedom as one individual, but the wider freedom of whole nations currently under threat.

Your lack of altruism is disappointing.

 

[geem]

You wouldn't be arguing with anything other than the range control and the safety boat crews

With one, and only one, exception (Sheerness*) all coastal ranges around the UK operate on a clear range procedure

If you want to make a passage across the range area you have the legal right to do so. A passage is all you can make though, you can't waffle around, turn back half way across (unless forced to by unforseen circumstances) etc.

Now whether it is appropriate to stand on your rights is another matter. My attitude is that I'll comply with the REQUEST (for that is what it is) if at all possible provided it does not pose a risk to my boat or crew and as long as it does not unduly impact on our passage plans (e.g. causing us to miss a tidal gate, be at sea longer than necessary with a weather system closing in, that sort of thing. It hasn't come to that yet and may never do so but if it came to pass I would assert my right of passage if I had to)



Pardon me for being cynical but I rather suspect they came up with the inshore passage plan when they realised how negatively their notice was being received!

* Sheerness range is unique in having it's own set of (not easy to find!) byelaws. All the other ranges operate on the same standard set of byelaws. All the other ranges operate a "clear range" procedure as mentioned above. With Sheerness closed means closed! There is no right of passage under any circumstances. As this only affects entry and exit from the Havengore over extensive drying mud flats, it isn't a major imposition

The inshore passage has limited use. Certainly no good if you are heading from Pwllheli to South Wales. The trip from Pwllheli is about 60nm. The diverted route out of the exclusion zone would likely turn that trip in to a night passage. Tides around Bardsey are very strong. Dealing with the exclusion zone when heading South from Pwllheli is a real issue. It would be better to do it as a proper night passage during that week

 

[Biggles Wader]

Its only a few odd days. Be thankful they are not building a wind farm there.

 

[cherod]

Not your freedom as one individual, but the wider freedom of whole nations currently under threat.

Your lack of altruism is disappointing.

I expect that disappointment is something which you face on a perhaps daily basis when you make assumptions on things which you know little of . Enjoy your day , tho many living under your “ freedom “ are not .

 

[droo]

Ireland is nice in June. Just make sure you get some € before you go.

and don't have Red Diesel in your tank!

 

[dunedin]

and don't have Red Diesel in your tank!

Why would having red diesel in the main fuel tank be an issue?
The only constraint is that you cannot buy any more “red” diesel when in the island of Ireland (north or south).
NB. Not entirely sure, but does Ireland use a different colour than red to mark its rebated fuel anyway?

Some have been planning to use the East side of the Irish Sea rather than the West due to having a dog on board (which seems to be still a bit more of a complexity), but don’t think diesel should be a material factor (other than price this year)..

 

[savageseadog]

Hopefully some forum members will provide them with target practise.

 

[Praxinoscope]

Hopefully some forum members will provide them with target practise.

Not that many of us sail in this area to make a reasonable show, maybe 150+ yachts spread out between Aberaeron, New Quay, Cardigan and Fishguard, (Aberystwyth is outside the zone and plenty of space to go North), about the same number of ‘mobo’s’, …..But recently a few Jetskis, these really would make good moving targets!

P.S. I wonder who lets the resident Dolphins know?

 

[sarabande]

I expect that disappointment is something which you face on a perhaps daily basis when you make assumptions on things which you know little of . Enjoy your day , tho many living under your “ freedom “ are not .

I do know quite a lot about ethics and politics, and am rarely disappointed in people, but I shall make an exception in your case.

As you are a person living under the same freedoms as I do, please list who you think do not enjoy those freedoms, and why.

 

[cherod]

I do know quite a lot about ethics and politics, and am rarely disappointed in people, but I shall make an exception in your case.

As you are a person living under the same freedoms as I do, please list who you think do not enjoy those freedoms, and why.

I guess “ quite a lot “ can be a relative term

 

[C08]

I once sailed through the moored fleet of target boats in the Aberporth range. It was quite surreal passing close by the rusty steel black and yellow striped hulks. I found the range cotrol very helpful when enquiring about range operations that day.

 

[Bilgediver]

That's an awful detour. It is a pity they didn't do it out in the atlantic somewhere. lots of boat will be transiting that location during June particularly those going to Scotland for the summer.

Lets hope they have all read their Notices To Mariners when Passage Planning or the Range Boat will be busy

 

[Praxinoscope]

I once sailed through the moored fleet of target boats in the Aberporth range. It was quite surreal passing close by the rusty steel black and yellow striped hulks. I found the range cotrol very helpful when enquiring about range operations that day.

As I mentioned in my previous post (#17) as a club we used to select one of the Aberporth targets as a mark for racing, that was a few years back, they don’t seem to have as many out anymore, probably because they are testing different kit now.
Aberporth control are usually very polite and helpful, but one has to remember they have a job to do and part of that is lobbing explosive devices into Cardigan Bay.

 

[Halo]

Sorry but I think it’s your duty to comply with this request at this time. Being a citizen of a free country comes with a level of responsibility as well as rights and Putin has made it clear that without modern arms the despots will take over.

 

[lustyd]

Sorry but I think it’s your duty to comply with this request at this time. Being a citizen of a free country comes with a level of responsibility as well as rights and Putin has made it clear that without modern arms the despots will take over.

Perhaps it's time to tell our leader about those responsibilities, after all it'll be him picking the fights on our behalf.

 

[cherod]

Perhaps it's time to tell our leader about those responsibilities, after all it'll be him picking the fights on our behalf.

Siding with the most aggressive expansionist warmongering organisation in the history of the world it is / was obvious that NATO would lead us into a war sooner or later

 

[Praxinoscope]

Siding with the most aggressive expansionist warmongering organisation in the history of the world it is / was obvious that NATO would lead us into a war sooner or later

Maybe I was asleep or in a coma at the time, but I don’t recall NATO annexing part of a separate country in the way Russia did with Crimea, or more recently invaded Ukraine.
Just wihich countries have NATO invaded?

 

[lustyd]

Maybe I was asleep or in a coma at the time, but I don’t recall NATO annexing part of a separate country in the way Russia did with Crimea, or more recently invaded Ukraine.
Just wihich countries have NATO invaded?

Just because the response is so obviously and wildly inappropriate doesn't mean the statements are false. If you look at the NATO charter, and their actions alongside organisations like the IMF then it's quite easy to see why the "other side" might feel threatened, especially those explicitely called out as the enemy in that charter. Whether using missiles or economic coersion, converting other countries to your own way of life amounts to a similar thing. Obviously the war needs to stop and Ukraine be reinstated with restitution. It's less obvious to most that NATO, the IMF, and global politics as a whole also need some change.

 

[Praxinoscope]

Just because the response is so obviously and wildly inappropriate doesn't mean the statements are false. If you look at the NATO charter, and their actions alongside organisations like the IMF then it's quite easy to see why the "other side" might feel threatened, especially those explicitely called out as the enemy in that charter. Whether using missiles or economic coersion, converting other countries to your own way of life amounts to a similar thing. Obviously the war needs to stop and Ukraine be reinstated with restitution. It's less obvious to most that NATO, the IMF, and global politics as a whole also need some change.

Surprisingly I have read the NATO Charter, (some time ago so I quickly refreshed my memory) and I don’t recognise your interpretation in any of the clauses, in fact the early clauses promote the importance of the UN and peaceful negotiations .
I believe that in reality Putin knows that NATO is no threat to Russia, but it is a highly convenient form of propaganda to convince the Russian public to believe that it is, thus avoiding any major discontent with his actions in Ukraine.
Maybe he should remember the dictum,,,,You can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can’t fool all the people all of the time.