Boat Share in the Canaries - thoughts?

[RupertW]

Um?

The shared boat - not relevant to the thread, sorry.

 

[mbroom]

Have you actually been to a marina in Spain and counted the number of Brit boats?

Hot news. Its nowhere near the number most people dream up.

Several times. It depends where you are. Galicia, not so many. Majorca/ Barcelona a lot more. In addition a lot of UK pensioners will stay in Spain etc for more than 90 days. Their loss to the local economy will cause problems.

 

[Irish Rover]

It never ceases to amaze me just how exaggerated an opinion foreigners have of their contribution to local economies.

 

[Deleted member 478]

It never ceases to amaze me just how exaggerated an opinion foreigners have of their contribution to local economies.

In reality, they're not far off the moolah: the visited country has no export costs (manufacturing, raw materials etc), just the foreigners doing their best to spend, spend, spend. That is really economically efficient.

 

[mbroom]

It never ceases to amaze me just how exaggerated an opinion foreigners have of their contribution to local economies.

Tell that to hotel owners in sharm el sheik or similar. The discussion was about EU movement post Brexit. I think the OP was looking for reasons not to go., thats his prerogative. I hate Brexit, and don’t support it, but it is unfortunately a fact. There will be ways of getting around it hopefully. I contribute a 5 figure sum to the Greek economy each year at present. I love the country and have Greek friends. But if a few like me leave, then they will notice a difference. Maybe I should apply for a residence, I will wait.

 

[V1701]

Tell that to hotel owners in sharm el sheik or similar. The discussion was about EU movement post Brexit. I think the OP was looking for reasons not to go., thats his prerogative. I hate Brexit, and don’t support it, but it is unfortunately a fact. There will be ways of getting around it hopefully. I contribute a 5 figure sum to the Greek economy each year at present. I love the country and have Greek friends. But if a few like me leave, then they will notice a difference. Maybe I should apply for a residence, I will wait.

I can agree with some of what you say but how on earth you think you can infer from what you can possibly know about the OP that he is "looking for reasons not to go" is beyond me...

 

[mbroom]

I can agree with some of what you say but how on earth you think you can infer from what you can possibly know about the OP that he is "looking for reasons not to go" is beyond me...

I never said I know why. I said I think that is his reasons. People sometimes build barriers to justify not doing something. These barriers may be real or imaginary. I don’t judge him at all, as we are all different. After all if RKJ invited me on an Antarctic trip with no heating, I would soon decline!

 

[Irish Rover]

Tell that to hotel owners in sharm el sheik or similar.

I know more than a little about that subject and you're right of course. Holidaymakers who generally stay on average 10/11 days are huge contributors to resort economies. I had more in mind expat or long stay foreigners such as yachties who grossly exaggerate their worth to the local economy.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

...... I think the OP was looking for reasons not to go., ......

..... I don’t judge him at all, ........

You did judge him, clear as day. The OP has sailed Oceans, a few times in yachts, has been a professional sailor, and has sailed small boats to the Canaries before and written about it in Blogs and has an ebook. Maybe you know him, maybe your right, but don't claim that you have not judged him when you have. In my judgment of the OP, I think he is looking for help to go.

 

[st599]

We may, or may not get a visa which gets around this 90 day restriction. We just do not know yet. I spent the last 15 years working full time in non-eu countries. My longest was 3 years in one country, Hopefully after the dust of Brexit settles, most countries will be pragmatic about this issue.

The RYA's Chief Legal chap spoke on this at this year's cruising conference. He said the EU had already offered an extended visa for non-commercial travellers from the UK, provided the UK reciprocated. The UK has declined this offer and that, unless the UK accepts the EU offer, we'd move to 90 in 180.
There were quite a few in the audience of retirement age who became quite upset at this.

 

[V1701]

I never said I know why. I said I think that is his reasons. People sometimes build barriers to justify not doing something. These barriers may be real or imaginary. I don’t judge him at all, as we are all different. After all if RKJ invited me on an Antarctic trip with no heating, I would soon decline!

Of course but the OP in this case is trying to find a way to make it work which is the exact opposite of what you're suggesting that he's trying to do. I am trying to be polite but you do seem to have missed the point here...

 

[Beneteau381]

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Boris and brexit have somewhat knocked our retirement plans out of joint.

Two and a half years ago, when no-one really believed a hard brexit could ever happen, we bought an old Morgan Giles 30 to do up and sail to the Canaries, where we intended to keep her and use her as a Winter escape with possible Summer cruises to Madeira and the Azores. She is now ready to go.

Of course, when we made these plans we were free to waft around the EU as we wished. It has gradually been brought home that this is no longer going to be the case and our residence in the Canaries and other European islands will be limited to 90 days in any 180, or 6 months a year tops.

So - it would seem to make perfect sense to share the boat with another person or couple with the same vision, enabling us both to spend up to six months a year on board Avy-J either enjoying her as a floating holiday cottage or cruising the Canaries and further afield.

Any comments or thoughts re. upsides or downsides of the idea welcome, PM me if you like.


- W

Nick, instead of going on about B, come to Portugal, do as we and friends have done, get a 5 year temp residency, beer at €1 a bottle, wine at €1 a v large glass, lovely people. I will show you around and buy the first round! You can then stay as long as you like! Our live aboard friends have actually joined the Portuguese NH S service, they are welcoming us!

 

[Beneteau381]

The RYA's Chief Legal chap spoke on this at this year's cruising conference. He said the EU had already offered an extended visa for non-commercial travellers from the UK, provided the UK reciprocated. The UK has declined this offer and that, unless the UK accepts the EU offer, we'd move to 90 in 180.
There were quite a few in the audience of retirement age who became quite upset at this.

See mine about temp residency Portugal, We and friends have already done it! First hand knowledge dontyaknow!

 

[Beneteau381]

We can be pretty certain freedom of movement within the EU will end on Dec 31st and normal Schengen non-visa travel rules will apply.

90 days in any 180 means the boat will be unattended for at least six months. So - marina phones, there's a problem, whoops, all my Schengen time is used up, I can't fly out to deal with it. Spend three months in the Canaries and even a trip to Ireland is impossible for the next three months.

Not making a political point, just a practical point.


- W

By the way, talking to a lovely Ametican couple who are liveaboards, the schengen stuff isnt affecting what they do, too many disparate computer systems is what they think is stopping officialdom joining up the dots, or maybe med shrugging of shoulders cant be ar sed!

 

[webcraft]

I think we are just going to go, in Autumn, get the boat into the EU before 31 Dec. May leave it in Las Palmas when it is unattended, as someone has said they will keep an occasional eye on it and it is cheaper than here (La Gomera), which will be our base port when we are on board.

- W

 

[webcraft]

Nick, instead of going on about B, come to Portugal, do as we and friends have done, get a 5 year temp residency, beer at €1 a bottle, wine at €1 a v large glass, lovely people. I will show you around and buy the first round! You can then stay as long as you like! Our live aboard friends have actually joined the Portuguese NH S service, they are welcoming us!

Whereabouts in Portugal are you?

And what hoops did you have to jump through to get the 5 year residence permit?

It sounds lovely, but the Canaries are a lot warmer in Winter!


- W

 

[claymore]

Webster - if its the warmth you are after - stay at home. A couple more winters and the old climate change will put Balvicar on a par with the Balearics...

 

[steve350]

Webcraft, may I say Avy-J looks in good condition and very attractive with her traditional lines. I wonder how she sails in comparison to the Vega, the Vega being a fabulous package and hard act to follow. I ask as the Vega and MG have both caught my eye and are on my shortlist of possible purchases. (The MG seems to offer a lot of boat for not much money). I wonder which would be your choice for singlehanded offshore sailing.
Good luck with your plans, I hope they work out for you.



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[Beneteau381]

Whereabouts in Portugal are you?

And what hoops did you have to jump through to get the 5 year residence permit?

It sounds lovely, but the Canaries are a lot warmer in Winter!


- W

Based in Albufeira Marina, do a contract there. No hoops, just go to the Council offices, get a fiscal number, half an hour, then go to the main Council office and take a ticket (they do ticket queueing in Portugal) We waited 45 mins or so and a man processed us in half an hour. €15 each. They accept your marina contract as an address. Once you have the paperwork then doors open to the NHS, importing a Brit car without punitive taxes etc etc. We were there last month, a few days of rain but mostly blue skies and sun, max 20 deg but cools down in the evening. Marina contract, free leccy so a 2kw fan heater is more than adequate for a couple of hours. Free wifi but Portugal is one of the best for connectivity with over 90% fiber connections.

 

[dunedin]

I think we are just going to go, in Autumn, get the boat into the EU before 31 Dec. May leave it in Las Palmas when it is unattended, as someone has said they will keep an occasional eye on it and it is cheaper than here (La Gomera), which will be our base port when we are on board.
- W

Sounds a good plan. Enjoy your cruise (though speaking to some of the boats arriving for ARC, I wouldn't leave it too late to head South, as many got pasted heading for the Canaries for October / November having left the UK too late and having to fight strong SW winds)