Boat Share in the Canaries - thoughts?

RupertW said:
No, it’s you who have misssd the point that residency in one EU country is pointless for cruisers.
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Leaving aside the question of what "proper" cruising is or isn't (let's not go down that road), the ongoing discussion is around what we can do to make it as easy as possible to do as much sailing as possible within Europe after the end of this year for those of us still in the UK with boats still in the UK. We get that even with a boat in another EU country before the end of this year and a residency permit we still won't be able to sail around as we would like but at least if we do then we are in a better position than if we had neither of those things. Therefore it's not pointless. I for one am interested in far more than just tying my boat up to a pontoon for months on end but if I have to take out a marina berthing contract so that my boat is demonstrably in the EU before the end of December and which I can also use as proof of address to get a temporary residency then so be it. Believe me if I had the time and the freedom I would like nothing better than to cruise freely wherever the wind and the fancy took me...:)
 
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So - we arrive in the Canaries this year, take out a three month berthing contract (for arguments' sake) and try to get temporary residency - I have been told that we will also need E600 lodged in a bank for several months, health insurance and an NIE number.

I believe it is easier in Portugal, but that is the deal in Spain.

Now, let's suppose we have temporary residency in the Canaries and we have been there for - say - six months. Now I want to sail to the Azores (also in the Schengen area) for a couple of months cruising - but we have already been in Schengen for more than 90 days in the previous 180, so essentially the rest of Europe is barred to us until I spend 90 days outside Shcengen (UK or Morocco for example).

Not ideal. Temporary residency only helps if you want to stay in that country - it does not help if you want to cruise freely in European waters.


- W
 
webcraft said:
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So - we arrive in the Canaries this year, take out a three month berthing contract (for arguments' sake) and try to get temporary residency - I have been told that we will also need E600 lodged in a bank for several months, health insurance and an NIE number.

I believe it is easier in Portugal, but that is the deal in Spain.

Now, let's suppose we have temporary residency in the Canaries and we have been there for - say - six months. Now I want to sail to the Azores (also in the Schengen area) for a couple of months cruising - but we have already been in Schengen for more than 90 days in the previous 180, so essentially the rest of Europe is barred to us until I spend 90 days outside Shcengen (UK or Morocco for example).

Not ideal. Temporary residency only helps if you want to stay in that country - it does not help if you want to cruise freely in European waters.


- W
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Totallly agree but I don't think you can say with absolute certainty (yet!) that you won't be able to do as you describe. What if you could use your temporary Spanish residency to enter the Azores? Isn't that for the Azores to decide?
 
webcraft said:
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So - we arrive in the Canaries this year, take out a three month berthing contract (for arguments' sake) and try to get temporary residency - I have been told that we will also need E600 lodged in a bank for several months, health insurance and an NIE number.

I believe it is easier in Portugal, but that is the deal in Spain.

Now, let's suppose we have temporary residency in the Canaries and we have been there for - say - six months. Now I want to sail to the Azores (also in the Schengen area) for a couple of months cruising - but we have already been in Schengen for more than 90 days in the previous 180, so essentially the rest of Europe is barred to us until I spend 90 days outside Shcengen (UK or Morocco for example).

Not ideal. Temporary residency only helps if you want to stay in that country - it does not help if you want to cruise freely in European waters.


- W
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If you can get whatever passes for the equivalent of the French Carte de séjour that allows free movement into other Schengen countries.
 
Webby, I think you should stay in Scotland, for obvious reasons, however, for more practical reasons, it looks like the Lergy has arrived in Tenerife, which is too close for comfort. Many doomsday, Zombie Apocalypse novels have folks rushing to remote areas only to find everyone else had the same idea and they are festering destinations of doom.

Tenerife hotel locked down over coronavirus

Coronavirus: Tenerife hotel with hundreds of guests locked down

A hotel in Tenerife in Spain's Canary Islands has been locked down after a visiting Italian doctor tested positive for coronavirus.
Hundreds of guests at the H10 Costa Adeje Palace Hotel were initially told to stay in their rooms as medical tests were carried out, Spanish media report.
The doctor is reportedly from the Lombardy region, where Italian authorities are battling an outbreak.
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BlowingOldBoots said:
Webby, I think you should stay in Scotland, for obvious reasons, however, for more practical reasons, it looks like the Lergy has arrived in Tenerife, which is too close for comfort. Many doomsday, Zombie Apocalypse novels have folks rushing to remote areas only to find everyone else had the same idea and they are festering destinations of doom.

Tenerife hotel locked down over coronavirus
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We are just back (6 days) from a one month stay in San Sebastian, La Gomera. Spain's only case of CV up to that point was - guess where? Yes, a German tourist quarantined in the hospital in San Sebastian - so we have been closer to the lurgy than most and I am sure this sore throat will eventually go away . . . .


- W
 
steve350 said:
Thanks Webcraft.
A budget boat for singlehanded offshore sailing is indeed what I'm looking for. With the market being as it is there are some wonderful boats available now that would have been too expensive for me just a few years ago. The Twister however still remains above my budget. Interesting that you mention the comfort ratio of the Vega in comparison to the MG30, the figures being 20 and 28 respectively. How these figures translate into real world experience would be interesting to discover, I guess you are perfectly placed to find out. (Incidentaly the comfort figure for the Twister is an incredible 40!)
Although I often look for alternatives to the Vega I feel its difficult to find something that's a better all round package without going up in size and budget.
Agree with you, the MG30 has fabulous lines. I read somewhere that the counter stern was a useful asset as it provides a reserve of buoyancy in a following sea. Perhaps I'm rambling on a bit here. Thanks again and good luck cruising her.
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I am hoping to be in a position to give a full account of what the MG30 is like to take offshore in the not too distant future. Owners I have been in touch with have all said the boat is good in a blow.

They are a lot rarer than Vegas, but if you do come across one I would consider it. Check the chainplates and bulkheads for rot. I had to replace the anchor locker bulkhead and half the forward bulkhead, plus the bow and stern chainplates.

- W
 
steve350 said:
Thanks Webcraft.
A budget boat for singlehanded offshore sailing is indeed what I'm looking for. With the market being as it is there are some wonderful boats available now that would have been too expensive for me just a few years ago. The Twister however still remains above my budget. Interesting that you mention the comfort ratio of the Vega in comparison to the MG30, the figures being 20 and 28 respectively. How these figures translate into real world experience would be interesting to discover, I guess you are perfectly placed to find out. (Incidentaly the comfort figure for the Twister is an incredible 40!)
Although I often look for alternatives to the Vega I feel its difficult to find something that's a better all round package without going up in size and budget.
Agree with you, the MG30 has fabulous lines. I read somewhere that the counter stern was a useful asset as it provides a reserve of buoyancy in a following sea. Perhaps I'm rambling on a bit here. Thanks again and good luck cruising her.
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My mate in Albufeira has just bought a house in Portugal, he is selling his Bristol 36 which is berthed in Albufeira, nice boat, all the bits, did a trip to Tangiers last year.
 
mbroom said:
Some countries have special Schengen arrangements, such as Australia, so there are precedents to exceptions.
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It is correct that I may find entry to the EU easier with my Australian passport as I do not have to apply for a visa in advance. I can get one on entry. But there are no exceptions for any country to the 90 day limit for tourist visas. That applies to Australians too.
Like the OP my existing lifestyle and retirement plans must be radically changed.
 
Wow, yes La Gomera, as fantastic as it is, costs a bloody fortune !
Las Palmas, has recently changed all the rules, due to new management.
Previously you got 25 % discount, if you paid 6 months in advance.
That is no longer in operation !
Along with the new marina administration, the ages old breakwater, south of the Vela Latina harbour, is now being expanded !
The new harbour wall, is going to extend, from the old breakwater, to above the Vela Latina Harbour, so the Vela Latina Harbour, will become an inner basin, so they can build another 1000 berths !
Then a new breakwater is going to be built all the way around the existing marina.
It is a 5 year plan, and they are saying that some of the new develpoement, will be privatized ?
Others, are saying the whole Las Palmas Marina Complex, is up for sale ?
Typically, the Marina, is not saying a word ?
Que ?
 
mbroom said:
I hate Brexit, and don’t support it, but it is unfortunately a fact. There will be ways of getting around it hopefully.
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Please, please tell me what you think these might be. If you really think that you will be able to continue using your boat in Greece more than 90 days every 6 months, I fear you will be sadly disappointed next year.
 
STILL AFLOAT said:
Wow, yes La Gomera, as fantastic as it is, costs a bloody fortune !
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San Sebastian can still be affordable for smaller boats as they operate a square meterrage charge. narrow-beamed older boats do very well out of this. They also still offer 30% discount for 6 months in advance. (They used to offer more for a year in advance, but that has stopped)

Does anyone know what the current prices in Tazacorte (La Palma) are?


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Got a contact for Tazacorte, but dont know prices.

0034 922 480 386.

info@puertotazacorte.com

Ask for Janet, the marina manager. Speaks perfect English.

Should you want some thinking time, Rubicon offers 60% discount on 10m berths if paid 6 months in advance. Works out around 50 quid a week including water, electric and wifi.
 
eastlands said:
Please, please tell me what you think these might be. If you really think that you will be able to continue using your boat in Greece more than 90 days every 6 months, I fear you will be sadly disappointed next year.
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I hear the CA is in talks with Greek yachting authorities to allow 6 month boating visas in Greece (without having to take out residency). It may not happen next year but if it does not happen quickly Turkey (the enemy) will benefit!

For the moment Greek yachts - next year - could plan to spend 90 days in Greece and 90 days in Turkey infinitum? A bit more paperwork but it's the easy option.
 
Star-Lord said:
I hear the CA is in talks with Greek yachting authorities to allow 6 month boating visas in Greece (without having to take out residency). It may not happen next year but if it does not happen quickly Turkey (the enemy) will benefit!

For the moment Greek yachts - next year - could plan to spend 90 days in Greece and 90 days in Turkey infinitum? A bit more paperwork but it's the easy option.
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Exactly my plans...
 
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