Are we losing touch with the essence of boats ?

[Robin]

Re: Does this count?

I think it is a triumph of hope over reality! I'm newly back to fishing from the boat after a 20 year lay off, but with advice from a number of peeps here (like Duncan and Chris Enstone to mention but 2). Not being one to do anything by halves we have 2 rods set up ready to use (in 'holsters' on the stern gantry), one has big 'seabass' feathers with a big jig as the bottom weight, the other has a Rapala lure or a rubber sandeel for slowly trolling behind. For going a tad faster we have a handline with a paravane and again a rubber sandeel lure. I think the secret is being in the right place at the right time, with some tide running over a reef like Christchurch Ledge so I hope it will fit the bill.

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[ianwright]

Yes and no.
I sail what I sail when I sail and how I sail, with or without which bits of kit that suit me. I don't take kindly to other people telling me I should or should not be doing it differently and/or in another boat.
I do try not to criticise other folks ways of sailing or the boats they do it in,,,,,, not always successfully but I try..
At least I try not to tell the owner of a plastic tub that his pride and joy is, er, a plastic tub, though I might think it, privately.
Live and let live, eh?

IanW



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[ChrisE]

Re: Does this count?

The technique for catching bass is to pay me loads of money to come out on my fishing boat and fish for them!

Like Robin, I think that catching bass from a yot is a triumph of hope over experience but for what its worth read on..

Bass feeding habitat is usually fast rips and reefs like Christchurch ledge, Portland Race and the Needles Bridge, ie not places that usually hang around in a yot. They feed at most times but are most easy to catch around the turn of the tide usually the first hour or two of the ebb. They can be caught on plugs and the like trolled behind a boat that is not going much faster than about 3 knots. I know dinghy sailors who catch them whilst footling over some of the ledges in the Needles channel and others who have caught them along the Shingles Bank. But and it is a big but us anglers what fish them with proper gear have a hard enough time and a yot doesn't make it any easier.

Mackerel are a much better bet, more of them and easier to catch.

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[Windfall]

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is mine the only GPS with the onscreen message saying "wow- you even look good in thermals" The radar usually argues, but has to agree once it sees me.

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I think it probably is....my VHF always treats me like an idiot, doesn't believe me when I try to switch it off and asks in the most patronising way if I'm Really sure?



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[Robin]

Re: Does this count?

I bought several French fishing mags and even a superb French book on fishing whilst we were there in August, the French are Bass mad! There was an article written about one of the angling charter boats out of Crouesty in one mag and this guy made it look so easy! He took their reporter over some Morbihan oyster beds and caught bass, moved to a tide rip, caught bass, moved to a rock somewhere and caught more bass. The bass round my boat didn't speak English though....

We tried in the Raz de Sein - caught 2 BIG mackerel, and in Alderney Race, caught 2 medium mackerel. We bought a lovely bass in St Peter Port though.

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[Clive_Rigden]

Re: Does this count?

I've caught two good-sized bass on a mackeral line, one going round the Old Harry rocks and the other some way off Gilkicker Point at slack tide - lucky I spose.
I'm told that plaice feeding on the mussel beds at St. Catherine's Point I.o.W. are especialy good too. Don't fancy trying that in Enigma though.

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[Guest]

Re: Are we losing touch with the essence of boats

1 boat I have is pitch pine on oak, 2nd is tupperware GRP, 3rd is also Tupperware GRP .....

So I have a problem condemning either !! But I must say the wooden boat is glorious when all made ready for season .... but costs me a lot to maintain in effort and money ....

Yep - Live and let Live


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[Guest]

Change of Club Name ?

The Basic Boating Club ......

the BBC

any takers ?

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[RupertW]

Re: Change of Club Name ?

I like that.

What about some club rules?

Rule 1) Just mess around in boats and disregard any of the following rules if you want to

Rule 2) Can get from harbour mouth to harbour mouth with the main battery switch off without particularly noticing any difference to your sailing or comfort

Rule 3) Can't remember the last time you plugged into shore power

Rule 4) Happy to take part in a joint rally but know that some of the club will turn up at roughly the same harbour at roughly the same month and the rest will forget to turn up because they started listening to some programme on Radio 4, then the wind changed and they had to tack, then they felt a bit hungry and thirsty and by the time they'd sorted it all out they were heading to some grubby harbour because they'd once had a really good bag of fish and chips in some backstreet, somewhere.



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[Clive_Rigden]

Re: Change of Club Name ?

Auntie-on-the-Water . . .

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[billmacfarlane]

Don't be too smug matey. Weren't some Vertues made of plastic and don't all 200 odd Vertues look much the same ?

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[Guest]

Sounds about right !

The take it as it comes rule .....

or

Sod it - didn't want to go there anyway !!

Nowall we have to do si design the Burgee ..... and the Club Motto !! Any suggestions ?


<hr width=100% size=1>Cheers Nigel http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gps-navigator/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/searider/

 

[billmacfarlane]

Nice post Nigel, but try not to look at bygone days with such rose tinted specs. I actually relax more on my boat now that I have radar, chart plotter etc. I remember closing the French coast somewhere near Fecamp ( I hoped ) in pre Decca days after a night crossing of thick fog. Funnily enough I didn't feel the remotest bit relaxed - I could have taught( no pun intened ), a bow string a thing or two. so I think that the latest electrickery hepls me relax. Is it getting away from the essence of boating? I don;t really know what that is, but if you mean the "good old days" when you had a towing log, a lead line and a useless RDF, then sod that for a game of soldiers. Even with all the bells and whistles a lot of us have, the tides haven't changed, the winds are still there and we use them in the same way. There's simply more of us that want to use them, which is why there's been an increase in the production boat industry, producing the boats that some people on this site get a bit sniffy about. For my own part a relaxing, yep I actually do, weekend sail, in my plastic fantastic, from Chi to Yarmouth is usually done without even a chart open except if I get near the Brambles.

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[Guest]

My point exactly - well near enough !

It is not Rose Tinted Specs and I do not wish to return to the hit and kiss days .... even though they had some real funny moments !! They also had some scary ones.

No my point is the same as your Chi - Yarmouth bit ..... chart ? What for unless you are new to Solent ...... electronics ? what for except to tell you how long till you get a beer in your hand ...

So many posts and conversations across club bars / in boat yards now seem to centre on gadgets and screens and what frequency and how to keep batterys charged with it all switched on ....... etc. etc....... it all seems to lose some flavour ...

My question is - what happened to enjoying boating for what it is supposed to be ... a pastime and get-away from it all .... (we'll ignore the race boys and 'wave-jumping speed jockeys !)

No I am not advocating a return to the 'good old days' ...... far from it .......

I do not decry the more modern form of boat - just some of the claims by builders and also some owners as the capability of some of them ....

I admire the classic boats, but do not want the hassle of looking after it ....

So do I qualify for an old tart or can I still play in modern waters ?


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[ianwright]

230 +wooden (carvel) ones 10 or so strip plank/epoxy, 3 steel, 50+ grp,,,,,,,,
No they are not all the same, short cockpit/long doghouse, lomg cockpit/short doghouse, Extendid Ocean Cruising version, Bermudan or gaff, berths from 1 to 5 (!)
,,,,,,,and it's nasty tubs of any material that I'm not keen on, it's simply that more nasty tubs have been made since the advent of GRP, that's all.
IanW

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[halcyon]

What is nasty about a plastic tub ??
Why is a wood hull ok, but a plastic one that is identical all wrong ??

Brian

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[Mudplugger]

Re: My point exactly - well near enough !

Nigel, The point is well & truly made, BUT surely the majority of people who actually go sailing are doing it the simple way! The discussions in the bar are probably by those who park their pride & joy in a marina and use it as a weekend retreat. I believe that a survey in the late 90's estimated that 60% of marina based craft didn't go anywhere...The other factor that seems to be implementing change, is Education not Legislation? and the general trend that says one must not participate in anything without the required?? safety Eqipment/Certification/etc.
See latest Issue CA mag for the Future! On a personal note, I really don't want to go back to playing in the Thames Estuary without a GPS & Echosounder, I can /and have been there, but it gives you a headache!. The other factor has got to be size (wasn't it alway's) but 30 years ago a 30/35' yacht was towards the top end of market, now that's your starter! Where can you buy the Leisure 17/ Kingfisher 20/ Alacrity/Europa what have you. Life moves on and expectations do so as well, but the Sea, weather & challenge remain the same.

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[Mudplugger]

Re: My point exactly - well near enough !

Nigel, The point is well & truly made, BUT surely the majority of people who actually go sailing are doing it the simple way! The discussions in the bar are probably by those who park their pride & joy in a marina and use it as a weekend retreat. I believe that a survey in the late 90's estimated that 60% of marina based craft didn't go anywhere...The other factor that seems to be implementing change, is Education not Legislation? and the general trend that says one must not participate in anything without the required?? safety Eqipment/Certification/etc.
See latest Issue CA mag for the Future! On a personal note, I really don't want to go back to playing in the Thames Estuary without a GPS & Echosounder, I can /and have been there, but it gives you a headache!. The other factor has got to be size (wasn't it alway's) but 30 years ago a 30/35' yacht was towards the top end of market, now that's your starter! Where can you buy the Leisure 17/ Kingfisher 20/ Alacrity/Europa what have you. Life moves on and expectations do so as well, but the Sea, weather & challenge remain the same.

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[ianwright]

Read my post again, this time while conscious.

IanW

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[Mirelle]

Going to meet their chainsaw...

A nasty tub is a nasty tub. It happens that most of the nasty wooden tubs have met their chainsaw. One such met her chainsaw within 50 yards of Ian's not-even-remotely-nasty "Patience" in West Mersea last Saturday. We inspected the remains, and she had indeed been quite nasty.

Many nasty plastic tubs have yet to meet their chainsaw, though a few have, and nasty plastic tubs are still being churned out.

This form of Darwinian selection has already weeded out most nasty wooden tubs, leaving, mostly, decent boats, that people are happy to spend time and money on.

Therefore, there are more nasty plastic tubs than nasty wooden tubs, at the moment.



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