Anybody else not, qualified?

[14K478]

They’ve tinkered with fishermen, and merchant sailors, and yachting hands, but everyone of them ought to be got hold of;

needs a modern update......

Hardly any fishermen, even fewer merchant sailors, quite a number of professional yacht hands, but they are employed by the super rich in warm places - I suggest we forget all about it.

The lady C.O. of the NZ survey vessel that has just been added to a reef in Samoa is ex RN.

Apparently she was operating close to a lee shore, in weather, on DP, when the ship blacked out.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Two immediate thoughts:

1. I suppose anchoring off and sending boats in was too much like hard work?

2. DP systems have built in redundancy for obvious reasons, so what happened here?

3. A lee shore, is a lee shore, is a lee shore…

 

[thinwater]

I think it would be safer, more economically sound, and well, just socially responsible, to ban recreational boating in the UK, from the sound of things. It's a pointless activity, if it is so life threateningly dangerous.

Thank goodness they have not gotten to mountaineering. There was a time with the mountaineering clubs suggested a permit system, such that you could not climb a route until you had been checked out and "certified" on that level of difficulty. The effort generated some uproariously funny articles and was summarily dropped. Thank goodness. So much for "Freedom of the Hills."[I do understand the purpose for guides.]

I did get a brief interview from the rangers before climbing an American ice/mixed classic, the Black Ice Couloir on Grand Teton. It's not often climbed, with a relatively high ratio of rescues. We had a good time, without excitement.

 

[14K478]

I think it would be safer, more economically sound, and well, just socially responsible, to ban recreational boating in the UK, from the sound of things. It's a pointless activity, if it is so life threateningly dangerous.

Thank goodness they have not gotten to mountaineering. There was a time with the mountaineering clubs suggested a permit system, such that you could not climb a route until you had been checked out and "certified" on that level of difficulty. The effort generated some uproariously funny articles and was summarily dropped. Thank goodness. So much for "Freedom of the Hills."[I do understand the purpose for guides.]

I did get a brief interview from the rangers before climbing an American ice/mixed classic, the Black Ice Couloir on Grand Teton. It's not often climbed, with a relatively high ratio of rescues. We had a good time, without excitement.

I have just spent two days and quite a bit of my employers’ money wading through elfin safety claptrap to find out that yes, a container ship does have a mooring warp wrapped round her bow thruster propeller and no the diver could not do anything about it.

Brilliant!

I can see a very good case for banning recreational boating in the UK but it’s dying on its feet anyway.

 

[capnsensible]

I think it would be safer, more economically sound, and well, just socially responsible, to ban recreational boating in the UK, from the sound of things. It's a pointless activity, if it is so life threateningly dangerous.

Thank goodness they have not gotten to mountaineering. There was a time with the mountaineering clubs suggested a permit system, such that you could not climb a route until you had been checked out and "certified" on that level of difficulty. The effort generated some uproariously funny articles and was summarily dropped. Thank goodness. So much for "Freedom of the Hills."[I do understand the purpose for guides.]

I did get a brief interview from the rangers before climbing an American ice/mixed classic, the Black Ice Couloir on Grand Teton. It's not often climbed, with a relatively high ratio of rescues. We had a good time, without excitement.

Bit less dangerous than having 5 guns per person......

 

[thinwater]

Bit less dangerous than having 5 guns per person......

A fun thread no doubt, but let's not go there.

And obviously I was kidding. I find the debate fun, but I'm not overly concerned about the risks people take. We've lost a number of people kayaking in the local river (Potomac) in the last week. The flooding from the latest huricane has been epic, the river has been running quite high, and well, that's what happens when you kayak at flood stage. Sort of like going sailing in poor weather to meet the challenge. It's a choice.

No, I am not a gun owner. I just find the debate boring and I hear enough of it in the local press.

 

[ylop]

I can see a very good case for banning recreational boating in the UK but it’s dying on its feet anyway.

Really? Why are there almost no spare berths anywhere?

 

[thinwater]

Really? Why are there almost no spare berths anywhere?

Interesting point.

I wonder if the ratio of slips to number of boats that actually go out regularly has changed? As near as I can tell here, there are more slips but far fewer boats on the water than 30, 20, or even 10 years ago. Most just sit. This, of course, drive the price of slips up for people that would actually use their boats. I wonder if there is any such statistic.

 

[Blue Seas]

The insurance cost of running a boat (as a percentage of the boat value) has hardly moved in the 60 years I've been on the water (privately and professionally). It occasionally rises a tad following big hurricane events but as soon as the losses are recovered it reverts to normal. The market does not lie, it is basically a very safe activity as reflected by the low insurance and no compulsory qualifications.

 

[RunAgroundHard]

Interesting point.

I wonder if the ratio of slips to number of boats that actually go out regularly has changed? As near as I can tell here, there are more slips but far fewer boats on the water than 30, 20, or even 10 years ago. Most just sit. This, of course, drive the price of slips up for people that would actually use their boats. I wonder if there is any such statistic.

Compared to the mid 80's, to mid 90's sailing in Scotland has collapsed. However, that fall has long since stabilised. Largs Marina on the Firth of Clyde increased its berth not so long ago, including more large boat berths and remains full. On the West Coast, Craobh Marina wants to expand and has the room, it could increase berths by a 1/3; always full and even difficult getting a visitors berth at peak season.

I think it has reached a sustainable level, maybe there will be a general shortening of the average boat length as berth prices increase. This summer, despite the frequent dreich weather there were a lot of boats out sailing and on the good weekends plenty out sailing, such that marina berths on the Clyde for weekend stop overs were difficult to obtain if you just turned up without booking.

We are entering an age where Gen X have ridden the tail winds of the Boomers and are reaping all the financial benefits, some of which will translate Into sailing.

 

[langstonelayabout]

In my youth I taught sailing at Bosham Sea School although I did impress on the adult customers it was just a start if I recall correctly one couple expected to be sort of fully trained at the end of a week.

Ah, well you see, the people that we trained at Emsworth Sailing School were fully trained by the end of the week, usually gaining their RYA Dayboat Elementary certificate. If they were over 18 us instructors had usually trained them in drink buying and packed lunch sharing skills. What better skills/competence could they possibly gain in six full days of afloat, classroom and pub.

 

[Blue Seas]

Ah, well you see, the people that we trained at Emsworth Sailing School were fully trained by the end of the week, usually gaining their RYA Dayboat Elementary certificate. If they were over 18 us instructors had usually trained them in drink buying and packed lunch sharing skills. What better skills/competence could they possibly gain in six full days of afloat, classroom and pub.

Ah, Emsworth - 'The Alternative school of yachting' as the instructors at Solent SY used to refer to it

 

[trapper guy]

when all is said and done, there are people out there that can seriously injure themselves, and possibly others, with a ballpoint pen or even a humble pencil.
those people have always and will always exist, and those of us still here talking about it have survived everything they could throw at us, on the roads on bikes, in cars, in trains and planes...

you cant fix stupid, not even with licenses and permits

 

[trapper guy]

I don't know why, I've never sailed in to Dublin.
I was cutting across the harbour mouth on my way to an anchorage just to the south. According to my charts I was just outside the harbour limits but that didn't stop the lady from the VTS calling me up and telling me that I needed permission to enter the harbour.
Rather presumptive of her, but in her defence she had a lovely accent so it wasn't all bad.

ah, well in my experience, where there is a woman there also exists a need to speak, regardless if its timely or appropriate.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

What's 5hat got to do with the RYA and being 'inbred'? Not looking to argue, I just can't see the connection.

Wrong word, but I was also looking to avoid ‘nepotism’. After all, running the RYA isn’t just a plum job you’d want to keep, so to speak. Rather hard graft, and not always popular. I used to know Rod, we were mooring neighbours. He and his wife were very pleasant.

 

[ylop]

ah, well in my experience, where there is a woman there also exists a need to speak, regardless if its timely or appropriate.

Says a guy who just couldn’t help slipping in a mysogenistic post!

 

[ylop]

Interesting point.

I wonder if the ratio of slips to number of boats that actually go out regularly has changed? As near as I can tell here, there are more slips but far fewer boats on the water than 30, 20, or even 10 years ago. Most just sit. This, of course, drive the price of slips up for people that would actually use their boats. I wonder if there is any such statistic.

If we are talking marina berths then it certainly looks like most boats are actively cared for. I don’t know how we would define “go out regularly” - a boat that is only used for the same one week cruise each year is used regularly but one where the retired skipper jumps on every sunny day with a F3-5 is not (at least in the U.K. where sunny day means unpredictable). So presumably the question is really one of frequency not regularity. But even then a boat sailed for two weeks solid may appear to be used infrequently but actually do far more sailing than one used every Sunday afternoon from Easter to Haloween.

I don’t recognise the far fewer boats on the water that 10 yrs ago claim. I don’t think it’s even true of 20-30 years ago. Perhaps the type of boat or demographic of the users have changed, certainly yacht racing is nowhere near as popular as 30+ yrs ago.

 

[trapper guy]

Says a guy who just couldn’t help slipping in a mysogenistic post!

misogyny isnt the right word, i dont hate women, but they do have common traits which i as a man tend to notice, just like women do of men, and never tire of telling us

 

[PabloPicasso]

I've got the ICC when it first came out. No test involved back then, just a signature from a suitable person or existing yachtmaster. Been boating all my life, so some things like the OP's just seem commonsense.

Doing the RYA first aid course tomorrow. More as a refresher, as I did quite a few at work over the years including a 5 day one. Hopefully I might learn something new or at least refresh the brain cells on how to panic in an controlled manner.

Interesting, I do regular first aid and CPR courses at work.

A near by neighbor collapsed recently, his son was with him.

Not knowing what happened I rushed to get the defibrulator from the local church. When I got back a couple of minutes later I realised I had no idea what to do, so opened the defib bag.

Fortunatly my knowledge was intact and I remebered what was what, and what to do next if required but I had a moment of blind panic in the middle there

Fortunatly I didn't need to use it in the end. Poor fella had a reaction to a medication and did not need cpr.

A lesson for me. The updated CPR method has changed over the years.

The amateur person you want doing CPR is someone with a recent update course

Enjoy

 

[Boathook]

Interesting, I do regular first aid and CPR courses at work.

A near by neighbor collapsed recently, his son was with him.

Not knowing what happened I rushed to get the defibrulator from the local church. When I got back a couple of minutes later I realised I had no idea what to do, so opened the defib bag.

Fortunatly my knowledge was intact and I remebered what was what, and what to do next if required but I had a moment of blind panic in the middle there

Fortunatly I didn't need to use it in the end. Poor fella had a reaction to a medication and did not need cpr.

A lesson for me. The updated CPR method has changed over the years.

The amateur person you want doing CPR is someone with a recent update course

Enjoy

The course was good and interesting. CPR has altered but even the old method is better than nothing. CPR we were told only saves around 5% where's the defibrillator saves around 90%. The price of defibrillators is around £500 so we were told, so becoming something to have on board especially as they are compact.
Also went into the adrenaline auto-injector (EpiPen) that has been in the news recently.

Possibly require a bigger boat though .....

 

[billskip]

I can take you to men who get a course for everything and women who have a natural give it a go attitude and aptitude

I've come across a few women like that.