Anybody else not, qualified?

[oldmanofthehills]

Hm, I was under the impression they're not allowed to mix DS and CS students on the same course

I think they as both mine and Navigator courses had a mix (both recentish but in my case long overdue by 25yrs)

 

[14K478]

Having had 4 different engineering related carries in my 77 years I have been constantly learning new things all my life

Well, last week in the day job I learned how to arrange a diver’s inspection of an inoperative bow thruster alongside in the Port of Felixstowe. The procedure should all going well be finished about now, so the blue ship flying A on berth 5 really means it as does Tam’s tug and hope I have not inconvenienced anyone here. I also hope not to need this knowledge again!

 

[RunAgroundHard]

Hm, I was under the impression they're not allowed to mix DS and CS students on the same course

They are allowed but it is not recommended. The RYA don’t want to tie the hands of the RTCs too much as they have to fill boats to be profitable. The majority of RTCs are commercial enterprises, as opposed to charities and clubs. Instructor’s are given advise on how to manage various degrees of competency and skill on a course.

Regarding the militia claim, tongue in cheek I know, but the Yachtmaster Scheme was derived, post WW2, to provide a cadre of people skilled enough to fill various domestic boating vacancies as a result of seamen being assigned to war activities. It is a different world today.

 

[14K478]

Regarding the militia claim, tongue in cheek I know, but the Yachtmaster Scheme was derived, post WW2, to provide a cadre of people skilled enough to fill various domestic boating vacancies as a result of seamen being assigned to war activities. It is a different world today.

I cautiously beg to differ. I think the original B.O.T. Yacht Master scheme is quite a bit older. I think the late Frank Carr had something to do with it.

Are you thinking of the MCA Boatmaster’s License?

 

[capnsensible]

Allows?
As I understand it, no "tickets" are required to go anywhere at sea.
(Tbc, I have a full YMO).

The mileage limits are for those who wish to get their tickets commercially endorsed.

 

[rogerthebodger]

Well, last week in the day job I learned how to arrange a diver’s inspection of an inoperative bow thruster alongside in the Port of Felixstowe. The procedure should all going well be finished about now, so the blue ship flying A on berth 5 really means it as does Tam’s tug and hope I have not inconvenienced anyone here. I also hope not to need this knowledge again!

If you have an open mind every day is a learning day. The issue is when people don't have an open mind to accept new ideas and alternative views

 

[capnsensible]

Fact check.

The RYA started examining Yachtmaster candidates in 1973 but in fact the very first Yachtmaster certificates were awarded much earlier. In 1938 at the request of the Admiralty, the Board of Trade began to hold examinations for Yachtmasters primarily for Royal Navy reservists but also for amateur yacht skippers. It was prescient of the Admiralty to consider a military need for a fleet of competent yachtsmen as that is exactly what was required two years later at Dunkirk.

Full article: The history of the RYA Yachtmaster scheme as it turns 50 - Yachting Monthly

 

[RunAgroundHard]

I cautiously beg to differ. I think the original B.O.T. Yacht Master scheme is quite a bit older. I think the late Frank Carr had something to do with it.

Are you thinking of the MCA Boatmaster’s License?

I am thinking of the Yachtmaster Scheme as I knew it is the early 80’s, certified by the DoT, not the MCA. You are correct, it goes back much further than the RYA, who subsequently adopted the scheme. Thanks for the challenge.

The history of the RYA Yachtmaster scheme as it turns 50 - Yachting Monthly

… The RYA started examining Yachtmaster candidates in 1973 but in fact the very first Yachtmaster certificates were awarded much earlier. In 1938 at the request of the Admiralty, the Board of Trade began to hold examinations for Yachtmasters primarily for Royal Navy reservists but also for amateur yacht skippers. It was prescient of the Admiralty to consider a military need for a fleet of competent yachtsmen as that is exactly what was required two years later at Dunkirk.

In the early 1970s the RYA took over the administration of the exam after a protracted negotiation led by Commander Bill Anderson, who had recently left the Royal Navy and had been appointed RYA Cruising Secretary. It was an innovative idea for a sports governing body to run a Department for Transport test but under Bill’s leadership it became a gold standard for amateur and professional yacht skippers. The first RYA yachtmaster certificate was issued in 1973 on behalf of the RYA and the Board of Trade. …

 

[ylop]

Absolutely. So why is it part of the syllabus, or more practically, why does it come up so often in teaching when the marking for a minefield on a chart is not emphasised? But perhaps I am wrong and our illustrious grey funnel line spend time sweeping for old WW2 mines around our coastlines to this day.

I assume since we have minesweepers they carry out training excercises. I’m not clear if they are in “open” waters or closed “ranges” but it doesn’t seem quite as crazy to me as it does to you. I assume that in an actual military operation the lights might not be on anyway?

The mileage limits are for those who wish to get their tickets commercially endorsed.

But then it’s surely 20miles or 60 miles not 40?

 

[14K478]

The Nottage Institute in Wivenhoe began teaching navigation to professional yachtsmen in 1897; these days of course it teaches much more and mainly to amateurs, including teaching the RYA syllabus, but that’s as far back as I can get with the formal teaching of navigation to yachtsmen.

 

[capnsensible]

I assume since we have minesweepers they carry out training excercises. I’m not clear if they are in “open” waters or closed “ranges” but it doesn’t seem quite as crazy to me as it does to you. I assume that in an actual military operation the lights might not be on anyway?


But then it’s surely 20miles or 60 miles not 40?

Yup 40 is a red herring but the statement stands.

yachtmaster commercial endorsement licence | Maritime Training Sail & Power.

Re. Vessels engaged in minesweeper operations. Have seen this in action twice. Once off Gibraltar where regular vhf broadcasts were made informing other vessels of the activities. Second in Bay of Cadiz.....where they didn't.

 

[Bouba]

War zones aren’t the only hazard….for example, don’t survey a coral reef by breaking it…
New Zealand loses first naval ship to sea since WW2

 

[Gustywinds]

That’s what it says, afaik, but I don’t presume to tell the cousins what to do. My father’s mother was one and it looks like my elder son will soon be marrying another, so I shall keep my head down.

I worked in the US a lot, particularly in Texas and Louisiana and was horrified about the number of guns. First week I was in New Orleans, I was out for drink with one of the local guys at a famous Irish bar called Pat O'Briens and his wife took out her cigarettes then ferreted in her bag for a light, as she dir she pulled out a neat little Beretta and casually laid it on the table with the rest of the usual female bag detritus

 

[Chiara’s slave]

I cautiously beg to differ. I think the original B.O.T. Yacht Master scheme is quite a bit older. I think the late Frank Carr had something to do with it.

Are you thinking of the MCA Boatmaster’s License?

The RYA being, like the rest of the boating world, somewhat inbred, is Frank Carr related to Rod Carr, and of course more topically, David ‘Freddie’ Carr, AC cyclor. The last 2 being father and son.

 

[Gustywinds]

The RYA being, like the rest of the boating world, somewhat inbred, is Frank Carr related to Rod Carr, and of course more topically, David ‘Freddie’ Carr, AC cyclor. The last 2 being father and son.

A bit of a Carr-tel?

 

[14K478]

The question is above my pay grade but this is the Carr I had in mind:

Frank George Griffith Carr - Wikipedia

He wrote a textbook for the 1938 Syllabus; I once had a copy. It is extremely hard going.

“The Yacht Master’s Guide and Coasting Companion”, if you are in a secondhand bookshop.

 

[capnsensible]

The RYA being, like the rest of the boating world, somewhat inbred, is Frank Carr related to Rod Carr, and of course more topically, David ‘Freddie’ Carr, AC cyclor. The last 2 being father and son.

What's 5hat got to do with the RYA and being 'inbred'? Not looking to argue, I just can't see the connection.

 

[chriss999]

Fact check.

The RYA started examining Yachtmaster candidates in 1973 but in fact the very first Yachtmaster certificates were awarded much earlier. In 1938 at the request of the Admiralty, the Board of Trade began to hold examinations for Yachtmasters primarily for Royal Navy reservists but also for amateur yacht skippers. It was prescient of the Admiralty to consider a military need for a fleet of competent yachtsmen as that is exactly what was required two years later at Dunkirk.

Full article: The history of the RYA Yachtmaster scheme as it turns 50 - Yachting Monthly

And also suggested by Erskine Childers in 1903, eg:
‘There must be hundreds of chaps like me—I know a good many myself—who know our coasts like a book—shoals, creeks, tides, rocks; there’s nothing in it, it’s only practice. They ought to make some use of us as a naval reserve. They tried to once, but it fizzled out, and nobody really cares. And what’s the result? Using every man of what reserves we’ve got, there’s about enough to man the fleet on a war footing, and no more. They’ve tinkered with fishermen, and merchant sailors, and yachting hands, but everyone of them ought to be got hold of; and the colonies, too.‘

 

[capnsensible]

They’ve tinkered with fishermen, and merchant sailors, and yachting hands, but everyone of them ought to be got hold of;

needs a modern update......

 

[14K478]

The RNVR was indeed established in 1903, basically the amateur yachtsman’s naval reserve. Its high water mark was WW2 and it merged with the RNR in 1958.

In 1937 or so it had a recruiting office of its very own, near Piccadilly. My late father applied there, was turned down, came back with his Fishing Master’s Certificate and was accepted.

The Paglesham smack yacht “Bird of Dawning” has the initials “RNVRSC” carved into her counter stern.

1938 was a bit late for the Admiralty to be wanting navigational tuition for yachtsmen.