Where do you work on your boat?

[Caraway]

NO ONE has the right to tell another what they can and cannot do and it is in my view very discourteous for anyone to criticize anyone else for their choices.

Ha ha. A message which has passed by many on these forums.

 

[Bristolfashion]

As I think any boat owner will attest, there's always jobs either that have to be done or could be done on a functioning boat.

The advantage over a project is that you can also go sailing.

You could pick up an older, classic British boat in working order and have a never ending list of maintenance & upgrading with some sailing thrown in.

 

[coopec]

Why is it a problem? Human beings are rational animals who seek satisfaction by considering their options available to them at any particular point in time. Building a boat for oneself is not rational given the alternatives available. At times in the past it may have been the best rational choice, but it is clear that those times are past.

Nothing wrong with young people today, unless you view them through old peoples' eyes conditioned by their own past, then they may seem to be odd - but they are the product of the choices available today which brings us full circle to the paragraph above.

Time to move on.

The problem is that there are a lot of irrational people who don't consider the right options!

Is obesity increasing in the UK?
The majority of adults in England in 2018 were overweight or obese (63%). Obesity prevalence increased steeply between 1993 and around 2000, with a slower rate of increase after that. In 2018, the proportion of adults who were obese was 28%. Morbid obesity has also increased, from fewer than 1% in 1993, to 3% in 2018.5 May 2020

AND

In the UK "The number of people with three or more long-term conditions is predicted to rise from 1.9 million in 2008 to 2.9 million in 2018

 

[Tranona]

The problem is that there are a lot of rational people who don't consider the right options!

That is your personal opinion and has no place in today's world. Who are you to say whether the choices a person considers are wrong?

 

[Laser310]

even experienced boat owners are likely to underestimate the time and money required to make a project boat sea-worthy,

so, if you have never owned a boat before, and if the primary reason for getting a project boat is to save money.., the odds are overwhelming that you will not save money.

if you do manage to persevere and complete the project, you can be pretty certain that the market value of the boat will be less than you spend, even if your time has no value.

of course, there can be exceptions, but they are called exceptions for a reason...

 

[coopec]

even experienced boat owners are likely to underestimate the time and money required to make a project boat sea-worthy,

so, if you have never owned a boat before, and if the primary reason for getting a project boat is to save money.., the odds are overwhelming that you will not save money.

if you do manage to persevere and complete the project, you can be pretty certain that the market value of the boat will be less than you spend, even if your time has no value.

of course, there can be exceptions, but they are called exceptions for a reason...

Maybe there would be a feeling of personal achievement that provides him with a sense of pride? (Quite possibly never a thought of selling?)

 

[penfold]

Plenty of others have already said it, but I'll pointlessly weigh in to labour the point; if you like restoring boats buy a project and restore it, if you like sailing buy a functioning boat and go sailing. Owning a functioning boat will not preclude the need to continuously fix it; most boats will at any time have X things wrong with them, sailing boats are subject to the Slocum effect and the figure is 2X, where X is a product of a formula which requires the numbers of seacocks, engines, cylinders in those engines, marine lavatories, electrical appliances, electric lights, unpowered mechanisms with more than one moving part, sails, masts and booms, length of plumbing in linear millimetres and is additionally modified by distance from the nearest chandlery, whether it's a Sunday and the presence of people you need to impress.

 

[rogerthebodger]

That is your personal opinion and has no place in today's world.

Personal opinion and choice is the very point and in most countries is in law. In the country I live the right of opinion is included in our bill or rights.

Who are you to say whether the choices a person considers are wrong?

That is correct but you and others consider they have the right to criticize and degrade the choices others make because YOU think they are wrong in your opinion.

Today in most parts of the world we have immense freedoms like the world have not seen before. I the issue to me is that there are some who consider themselves a self appointed rule makers who disrespect the rights of others by bullying and sarcasm.

 

[pvb]

That is correct but you and others consider they have the right to criticize and degrade the choices others make because YOU think they are wrong in your opinion.

Surely that's exactly what coopec did in post 43, but I note that you haven't taken him to task...

 

[Neeves]

To the OP,

I have simply glanced over the posts as some seem to be following unnecessary personal vendettas. But Coopec and Rogershaw have done, or are doing some serious work - they are worth noting

We had our catamaran built from new and were involved in the build process in that we could have personal likes added and what we thought unnecessary deleted. We have owned and worked on the yacht ever since.

We did opt for a decent house battery bank and an invertor and can thus use most hand power tools, some of which are battery power tools on the boat. We service the yacht by ourselves. We have I think a fairly complete tool kit, both metric and imperial spanners, gear puller etc etc. The yacht is on a swing mooring.

But I also have a large workshop with a decent bench drill and big power saw etc so some tasks can be completed at home, which is maybe 300m from the dinghy and then 300 metres to the swing mooring. Sadly tools get moved from one location to the the other and the key is being organised - there is nothing more frustrating than realising the tool you want is 'in the othe place'. Sail repairs we tend to do at home, as there is more space to lay them out, under cover, but we have done some repairs on the saloon table (when we are on our annual cruise).

Some tasks are better done at home, cutting steel for example, other tasks need to be completed afloat.

But as long as you do not upset the, floating, neighbours you can do much on a swing mooring - you need to have a patient personality.

Jonathan

 

[Rappey]

Location is everything. I spent the first 2 years in a mud berth in a little local boatyard.
That gave me time to rebuild most the interior and fix the seized engine, but being a bmc was only about £500.
After that I moved to a swinging mooring. I have a sailing club right outside my door and can spend winter months on their pontoon for £25 per week.
28 years later I'm rebuilding parts of what I originally built !
Thoroughly enjoyed the journey and learnt about every single part of a boat.