What do these red line thingies mean?

[LovelyDay]

Hello! I’m just wondering if anybody could tell me what these red line marker thingies mean?

Thank you!

 

[SaltIre]

They show the locations/centre of Traffic Separation Schemes for large ships.

 

[RunAgroundHard]

Holy moley
Piddly poo
I crossed the lane
Got run through

If only I knew
RIP

 

[ChromeDome]

You may cross these areas, but rules apply.

Learn ColRegs - Traffic Separation Schemes.

Don't try to enforce any right of way if a huge ship comes across. Even if they tried, they wouldn't be able to change course or stop' before htting you.

 

[dgadee]

That North Channel one sees a ship once a day. Always thought small boats should be able to ignore it (and accept the consequences).

 

[Daydream believer]

You may cross these areas, but rules apply.

Learn ColRegs - Traffic Separation Schemes.

Don't try to enforce any right of way if a huge ship comes across. Even if they tried, they wouldn't be able to change course or stop' before htting you.

This is the beauty of AIS with transponder. I have started to give way on a busy day in the Dover Strait & twice been told to hold my course as the approaching ship is making allowance for me.
So ships often DO make course alteration for yachts crossing shipping lanes. If one starts messing about with course alteration it can cause confusion.
I have also been called by a container vessel, circa 15 miles off Ostend, to tell me that they cannot safely change course due to the presence of a ship nearby. It is clear that they normally would have changed course.
In the Thames estuary, between Fisherman's Gat & N Foreland, a ship, heading East, called another some miles away to tell it that they were altering course to avoid me, so would require them to be aware of their change of course.

 

[Deleted member 478]

Hello! I’m just wondering if anybody could tell me what these red line marker thingies mean?

Thank you!

Ignore the grumpy old farts on here, especially those that offered nothing helpful.

Do a Google search for "International chart symbols and abbreviations". You should find a free downloadable pdf.

 

[LovelyDay]

Thanks guys! I have never been there (currently very inland) I was planning a trip for the future and saw these further north and thought I’d ask.

Just trying to learn I assumed something to do with ferries as one is near Holyhead.

Appreciate the help

 

[LovelyDay]

Ignore the grumpy old farts on here, especially those that offered nothing helpful.

Do a Google search for "International chart symbols and abbreviations". You should find a free downloadable pdf.

Thank you! I’ll give this a Google

 

[LovelyDay]

You may cross these areas, but rules apply.

Learn ColRegs - Traffic Separation Schemes.

Don't try to enforce any right of way if a huge ship comes across. Even if they tried, they wouldn't be able to change course or stop' before htting you.

Thanks I assumed it was something to do with ferries but wasn’t sure and didn’t know what to search for. I don’t fancy 1v1’ing a ferry! There is a big thoroughfare type thing going in at Abermenai point (it looks like) so I’d probably cut the whole thing out going through there. But lots of time to plan! Much appreciated

 

[fisherman]

I have started to give way on a busy day in the Dover Strait & twice been told to hold my course as the approaching ship is making allowance for me.

I often see discussions about colregs on here, and the above is important. Some people say they always give way to a big vessel, regardless of right of way, could be disastrous.
It's a bit like having a discussion about what to do at a roundabout. I nearly tailended a car that stopped half way round to let a car enter.
However, think artic in the next lane: you have to allow for his need to straddle two lanes on a tight turn.
Prudence and pragmatism.

 

[LovelyDay]

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I apologise for asking. I couldn’t see it in my books and I didn’t know what to search for. I thought asking would be okay I didn’t realise id be a problem

 

[LovelyDay]

I apologise for asking. I couldn’t see it in my books and I didn’t know what to search for. I thought asking would be okay I didn’t realise id be a problem

Also I don’t plan on sailing for another year. I’m just very new to this and couldn’t find it. I’m probably missing a LOT. Just trying to learn

 

[Mister E]

So people never go near those things and might not have one on their most used chart.
Every day is a school day we all did not know everything at one time.

 

[johnalison]

Also I don’t plan on sailing for another year. I’m just very new to this and couldn’t find it. I’m probably missing a LOT. Just trying to learn

I’m sorry that you got your fingers burned at such an early stage. Perhaps the most important lesson for you is that there is a lot to learn about when starting cruising. As others have intimated, a sailing school and progress through the various qualifications can be a good way to acquire the important knowledge. However, it is not the only way, and it is perfectly feasible to start modestly with local sailing (unless your name is Chay Blyth) and get experience that way. I would add that joining a club can also be very helpful, unless you are one of those that abhors such institutions.

 

[oldbloke]

There's no such thing as a stupid question but there are a lot of b.... stupid answers.

 

[KevinV]

Its really not difficult - they are well marked - they hit you in the eye - surely, surely you ask

What is that 'thing' - on a chart we, leisure sailors use, they are huge and dominate

Surely you don't say - 'that must be a safe haven for yachts' -

Surely you say - 'that must be important; and then say 'I wonder what it is?' and then check - its part of passage planning.

If you do not passage plan - you don't think.

Sailing imposes responsibilities - if you don't understand .... question .... other lives might depend on your knowledge or lack of.

You are the skipper.... your are responsible.

I will be considered harsh, subject to a 'report'- I know 'this is why the forum is here' - you should not need to ask this here. its basic knowledge, like knowing port and bow, high tide and low etc etc

Jonathan

What a load of drivel - you (and others) know nothing about the OP, whether they have a boat, whether they're crew trying to learn, whether they're anywhere near these areas or just playing with ideas, whether they have ever even been on the water?

They could just as easily be an eager to learn 10 year old, and this is the response they get? Nice.

 

[capnsensible]

When someone needs to ask here about the meaning of symbols on a chart there is a major problem.

Chart interpretation should be, is, simple.

If you cannot 'read' a chart, what else are you missing?

You cannot rely on experts, even old farts nor wise cracks, from a forum every time

Jonathan

edit

I was asked yesterday about the meaning of 'true' in 'true north'.....




You cannot make these things up.

It is far better to help people understand the things that you know rather than sneering at them, in my opinion.

 

[fredrussell]

To the OP, if it’s any consolation, I asked a question once and Neeves suggested I give up sailing!! If you ask a question about anchoring you’ll get back in his good books.

 

[XDC]

Hello! I’m just wondering if anybody could tell me what these red line marker thingies mean?

Thank you!

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