What do these red line thingies mean?

fredrussell said:
To the OP, if it’s any consolation, I asked a question once and Neeves suggested I give up sailing!! If you ask a question about anchoring you’ll get back in his good books.
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To the OP: Whatever you do, don't ask Nerves about anchoring! His reply will involve..... zzzzzz. Life is too short. Rather go sailing.
 
LovelyDay said:
I apologise for asking. I couldn’t see it in my books and I didn’t know what to search for. I thought asking would be okay I didn’t realise id be a problem
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You are not a problem at the moment particularly as you say you don’t plan on sailing /motoring for another year but can I suggest that you get some tuition both theory and practical, the basic RYA courses would be a good place to start.
 
Neeves said:
Sorry folks

I just think there are some basic things you should know and that asking about those basic things might mean you are embarking on a pastime that needs a bit more commitment.

Jonathan
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There are of course "basic things you should know" but there are many way to gain that information: a course, a book, asking a friend, asking a stranger on the internet... shooting someone down in flames for asking what might seem to you like a bloody stupid question doesn't really encourage him to ask other questions which ultimately make him less informed. There is no compulsion on you to read or answer every thread on the forum if you think it is beneath you.
 
Fr J Hackett said:
You are not a problem at the moment particularly as you say you don’t plan on sailing /motoring for another year but can I suggest that you get some tuition both theory and practical, the basic RYA courses would be a good place to start.
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Good advice, many larger clubs run courses based upon the RYA system and well worth joining, I was lucky our local education authority ran evening classes back in the late 60's when I started which enabled me to do all the shore based theory up to Yachtmaster. The YM Ocean shore based did at the Little Ship Club.
 
Neeves said:
Precisely why should I be encouraging anyone? I don't derive any benefit from my posts and frankly I would prefer that people knew basic rules of seamanship. I would prefer people told me how to anchor better.
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Oh I think you do get a benefit from them - you might not realise it but you get a little dopamine hit from replying and feeling smart. Its the only reason forums work!
Neeves said:
I prefer people who invest a bit of time in a pastime where they will be responsible for the lives of others. There are many things that are difficult to research (there is no right and wrong) - but Traffic Separation Schemes (and marking of same) are not one of them.
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A TSS is easy to understand if you know that they are called TSSs or where to look for that information. Of course you could look in a book, on the chart that provides the key to the symbols (but of course you only know about this if you know that there is such a chart. The back of my Imray charts have a key - but I suspect the OP is looking in some online plotting software - which may or may not spell it out). The OP did invest some time, he asked a question. How did you learn what a TSS was? Perhaps it was on a course - should sailing only be open to people who go on (can afford) courses? or Perhaps it was from a friend/colleague in a club - should sailing only be open to people who know other people who can already sail?
Neeves said:
One lesson the OP may have learnt is that he has some learning to do (and if this is a hard way to find out - tough - spoon feeding does not work when the chips are down).
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I suspect he's learned that YBW is full of a mix of people some of who are rude.
Neeves said:
If he is discouraged - he needs to know he is responsible and ignorance is NOT a defence.
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The only person being ignorant is you! He knew he had a gap in his knowledge and asked a question. You've belittled him. A polite, "This is a traffic separation scheme, if you are going to sail in these waters you probably want to get some specific training so you understand all the symbols and the rules for avoiding collisions" would have been much more constructive.
Neeves said:
Google is your friend
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Only if you know what to search for! I just tried "red lines on nautical chart" for curiosity and nothing on the front page looked like it was for TSS! Although there were a few youtube videos which might explain it.
 
Meanwhile in the real world, Chat GPT offers:
What are the red areas on a UKHO chart?

On a UKHO (United Kingdom Hydrographic Office) chart, red areas typically indicate dangers and obstructions to navigation. These areas are used to mark hazards such as rocks, wrecks, shoals, reefs, or other features that pose a risk to vessels. Red areas on a UKHO chart serve as warnings to mariners and indicate areas that should be avoided or approached with caution.
It's important for sailors and navigators to refer to the chart's legend and accompanying notices to mariners for specific details about the nature of the hazards and any additional instructions or information. These charts are regularly updated by the UKHO to ensure the accuracy of the information provided to mariners.
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If the OP can ignore the petty sniping and hubris he’ll find many helpful people on these forums. Just filter out the dross (you’ll soon discover which is which!)

If you want to know what a symbol on a chart is, the goto booklet is Chart 5011. (Strangely called a chart although it’s a booklet.)

I’ve just reached behind me as I sit in our boat and pulled mine off the bookshelf.

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It’s a reference for every symbol on all admiralty charts. The symbols are pretty common on all charting from whatever source for obvious reasons.

Keep asking questions. There’s no such thing as a stupid question.
 
@LovelyDay the "chart" in #41 posted, above, is the same book that is available as a free pdf download that I mentioned earlier. I hope you found it?
 
john_morris_uk said:
If the OP can ignore the petty sniping and hubris he’ll find many helpful people on these forums. Just filter out the dross (you’ll soon discover which is which!)

If you want to know what a symbol on a chart is, the goto booklet is Chart 5011. (Strangely called a chart although it’s a booklet.)

I’ve just reached behind me as I sit in our boat and pulled mine off the bookshelf.

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It’s a reference for every symbol on all admiralty charts. The symbols are pretty common on all charting from whatever source for obvious reasons.

Keep asking questions. There’s no such thing as a stupid question.
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It’s available online https://sd6ea49279f075268.jimconten.../name/Chart Symbols Admiralty Chart 5011.pdf
 
Stingo said:
@LovelyDay the "chart" in #41 posted, above, is the same book that is available as a free pdf download that I mentioned earlier. I hope you found it?
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I don’t know where the pdf comes from but I think it’s sometimes easier/nicer to flick through the pages of a real booklet.

He’s got a choice now and can reference or print or buy.
 
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