want a bigger boat try this

[Koeketiene]

out

 

[ChattingLil]

Marc has been planning to do this to increase the aft cabin on OL and improve the trim to stop oranges rolling of the dinette. dyathink'd work?

 

[Koeketiene]

Marc has been planning to do this to increase the aft cabin on OL and improve the trim to stop oranges rolling of the dinette. dyathink'd work?

Have you considered a fruit bowl? Might be cheaper.

 

[FullCircle]

Have you considered a fruit bowl? Might be cheaper.

Or a hammock....

 

[Bru]

Not a myth. Your point merely demonstrates that even the Koreans are now being undercut on labour.

I did say something of a myth, labour costs are a factor of course. The Koreans are indeed being undercut but they are still building ships. So are the Germans and the Norwegians, neither a haven of cheap labour exactly!

I doubt the Egyptians would have been able to build the pyramids without slavery.

Unfortunately for your argument, the pyramids, according the the latest research, were actually built by free men - a combination of a permanent cadre of skilled trades employed full time and seasonal workers released from the fields by the annual flooding of the Nile

 

[Koeketiene]

Unfortunately for your argument, the pyramids, according the the latest research, were actually built by free men - a combination of a permanent cadre of skilled trades employed full time and seasonal workers released from the fields by the annual flooding of the Nile

Interesting - do you have a source?

 

[Bru]

Interesting - do you have a source?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8451538.stm as a starting point

There'd been books writ and tv programmes galore on the subject but still the slave myth persists 'cos it was what we were all taught in school!

 

[Koeketiene]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8451538.stm as a starting point

There'd been books writ and tv programmes galore on the subject but still the slave myth persists 'cos it was what we were all taught in school!

Learn something new every day.

 

[Sixpence]

but still the myth persists 'cos it was what we were all taught in school!

Wonder where else they're going to come a cropper with current teaching

 

[FullCircle]

Interesting - do you have a source?

The Nile of course, silly.

 

[Koeketiene]

The Nile of course, silly.

Duh.
Not feeling myself this morning.
Wonder who I am feeling - hope it's the wife or I could be in serious trouble.

 

[rgarside]

THis is something of a myth. In fact, even the Koreans are struggling with labour costs which is why some modules of the Tripe E's have been built in Taiwan

The real reason(s) we don't have the capability to build large modular ships are several - union intransigence to changing closed shop working practices and management inability to keep up with modern developments are oft cited but far from the whole story. What is rarely mentioned are the real killers - the private shipyard owners who preferred to take the profits out and invest them elsewhere rather than put money into the yards followed by half hearted government investment post nationalisation.

And then the death blow to end the industry apart from the rump retained to service the RN and appease the Clyde ... the Thatcher government accepting EU money on the condition that the UK stopped building ships other than on the Clyde and at Barrow (apart from some minor stuff)

That left the extensive yards on the Tyne derelict, most of the Clyde yards went, the massive site at H&W in Belfast standing empty and the (at that time) best covered assembly hall and construction dock in Europe, recently constructed in Sunderland, standing idle. Not to mention the largest marine cam/crank manufacturing plant in the world (also in Sunderland, mothballed after making about half a dozen cranks) and so on

The UK could have been, just a few years later, leading the way on the construction of oil field (and later wind farm) support vessels, within a decade the market for small to medium carriers went mad and then there's the big stuff

Blohm & Voss etc and the Norwegians get the plum stuff, the Koreans get the big bulk carriers and tankers. The UK gets to spend a ridiculous amount of taxpayers money on two carriers we don't need and have no aircraft to fly on and when that's over then what?

OK, so we would have been up against it competing with the Koreans (just ask the Japanese!) but we didn't even try. It really hacks me off!

All pretty correct, Korean yards now subcontract a lot of basic work to China, and as Chinese yards improve their quality it will get tougher for Korea.

As for the UK, after the 1940's the country was pretty much broke - so not too much money for investing in new ships, and even less in the yards that built them. Our shipbuilding expertise earned a living for a while on consultancy contracts showing the people with money to invest how to build ships efficiently and how to set up the production lines that the UK was not investing in. These places were in Japan and Korea. A big yard in Korea might have 10 or more VLCC size dry docks and be able to turn out 100+ ships a year. The UK yards just aren't on that scale. The Korean yards invest in new equipment to keep their production costs ahead of the Chinese, the UK yards seemed to be getting new equipment when the old couldn't be kept working.