Very nice boat to finish here...

[Wansworth]

My limited ownership of a Mashford four tonner involved new keel bolts some planking ,caulking anda new plywood deck .After launching shewas kept afloat with occasional time on the drying piles but I must admit she was much easier to keep neat and tidy than say the Albin Vega with all the polishing .A good sound wooden boat to y mind is no more work than a GRP one…….certainly painting is nicer than polishing

 

[dunedin]

..…….certainly painting is nicer than polishing

Mmmm? I spend about 4-6 hours a year polishing a 38 foot GRP boat, which on a sunny day is no big deal. And if an unexpected rain shower simply grab a coffee and restart later (or another day).
Painting, which is primarily about preparation, is massively more work, hassle and weather dependent.

And I strongly suspect Tranona’s estimate of £50k is much closer than the other estimates kicking about. Even if by some luck found a second hand rig to fit (a lot of luck) there will be a 101 other bits and pieces needed to get finished and sailing. And if going to fit out and equip from a skip that would be a waste to do that on a “new” hull.

 

[Blueboatman]

Mmmm? I spend about 4-6 hours a year polishing a 38 foot GRP boat, which on a sunny day is no big deal. And if an unexpected rain shower simply grab a coffee and restart later (or another day).
Painting, which is primarily about preparation, is massively more work, hassle and weather dependent.

And I strongly suspect Tranona’s estimate of £50k is much closer than the other estimates kicking about. Even if by some luck found a second hand rig to fit (a lot of luck) there will be a 101 other bits and pieces needed to get finished and sailing. And if going to fit out and equip from a skip that would be a waste to do that on a “new” hull.

Which is why no one on here will ever be taking on such a project/opportunity/waste of a life/once in a lifetime/w h y!

Whereas to the wooden boat aficionados this is a rare one. Of course since they all own wooden boats already there won’t be a handy £10k knocking around let alone the ‘ sky is the limit’ funds, time, motivation, location and skills to do a fab, progressive fit out and finish.

By the way, with so many boats going to scrap, the chances of finding a useable first fit rig and sails and bits and bobs are not vanishingly small?

I wonder where this boat will be in one years time? Possibly on you tube

 

[KevinV]

I wonder where this boat will be in one years time?

My money is on it being in exactly the same spot, but deteriorated further and offered at 1/3 of the price. We've seen it all before - a ton of hard work done building the hull, but the final fit-out will cost a fortune in a world where a single winch costs over a grand. It'll never add up to more than the sum of the parts - even if the hull was free.

 

[doug748]

Mmmm? I spend about 4-6 hours a year polishing a 38 foot GRP boat, which on a sunny day is no big deal. And if an unexpected rain shower simply grab a coffee and restart later (or another day).
Painting, which is primarily about preparation, is massively more work, hassle and weather dependent.

And I strongly suspect Tranona’s estimate of £50k is much closer than the other estimates kicking about. Even if by some luck found a second hand rig to fit (a lot of luck) there will be a 101 other bits and pieces needed to get finished and sailing. And if going to fit out and equip from a skip that would be a waste to do that on a “new” hull.

My money is on it being in exactly the same spot, but deteriorated further and offered at 1/3 of the price. We've seen it all before - a ton of hard work done building the hull, but the final fit-out will cost a fortune in a world where a single winch costs over a grand. It'll never add up to more than the sum of the parts - even if the hull was free.

Very odd.
You don't like a new wooden boat for under 10k, which begs the question why are the pair of you even here? This is the Classic and Wooden boat Forum, the Punch and Judy Lounge along the corridor might suit better.

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[KevinV]

Very odd.
You don't like a new wooden boat for under 10k, which begs the question why are the pair of you even here? This is the Classic and Wooden boat Forum, the Punch and Judy Lounge along the corridor might suit better.

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I just read the whole forum from the "new posts" page - it's all interesting.
I own one wooden boat, and one fibreglass one - so I have one foot in the romance, one in the practicalities.

 

[dunedin]

I just read the whole forum from the "new posts" page - it's all interesting.
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Ditto - precisely that.

 

[Blueboatman]

My money is on it being in exactly the same spot, but deteriorated further and offered at 1/3 of the price. We've seen it all before - a ton of hard work done building the hull, but the final fit-out will cost a fortune in a world where a single winch costs over a grand. It'll never add up to more than the sum of the parts - even if the hull was free.

I think it merits at least an editorial byline in one of the magazines to further generate some interest.

It clearly has a bit of history and some pedigree . And rarity of course.

Not me, I sold my last ‘real’ boat a couple of years back and have only a sailing dinghy and 3 (!) classic Marblehead 50” pond boats, and one in build.

Classic Boat, hello! Heads up.

 

[Poignard]

So what does it need before being able to sail?

Spars: Find pre-owned alloy ones or make from timber

Sails: Buy them, new or used. Unless like the owner of the Wanderer class 'Walrus', you can make your own.

Standing rigging: DIY

Running rigging: DIY

Upholstery: DIY

Guardrails: I wouldn't bother with any, apart from maybe a pulpit

Tiller: a nice DIY job

Deck fittings: from boat jumbles, eBay, or Foulkes Chandlery Barge

Instruments: NASA Clipper log and echo sounder, and a cheap VHF, needn't cost much, especially if they could be found second-hand.

Electrics: DIY

Some judicious bargain hunting, and a willingness to travel around the country with a van in pusuit of what you need, and the whole thing could be ready to go in under a year. All the hard work has already been done.

If you're not the sort of person willing to make a bit of an effort to get what you want then this is not the boat for you.

Were I twenty years younger I would be going to have a look at this boat.

Here's the original Wanderer III, built for Eric & Susan Hiscock, launched in 1952 and, I think still in commission.

"Wanderer III": A cruising yacht classic and the 96th degree of longitude

 

[Wansworth]

Hiscock commented that on sailing in company with Peter Pyein his converted Looe lugger of similar length Pye was more rested and “moonraker” never rolled to windward down wind wereas from this account Wander3 was a disaster

 

[Romeo]

An unused wooden boat, with an unused engine. Much better bet than a lot that come up, and might even hold its value. So if you were going to bit the bullet and buy her how would you rig her, and would you slum it with aluminium spars, or insist on wooden? Finally would you spoil her lines with guard rails, or keep her pure (and dangerous)?

 

[Wandering Star]

An unused wooden boat, with an unused engine. Much better bet than a lot that come up, and might even hold its value. So if you were going to bit the bullet and buy her how would you rig her, and would you slum it with aluminium spars, or insist on wooden? Finally would you spoil her lines with guard rails, or keep her pure (and dangerous)?

The original Wanderer 3 seems to be have stanchions & guardrails without spoiling her lines.

 

[dunedin]

…… Finally would you spoil her lines with guard rails, or keep her pure (and dangerous)?

Very experienced ocean race Eric Taberly kept his traditional family boat “pure and dangerous”. RIP

 

[Wansworth]

The original Wanderer 3 seems to be have stanchions & guardrails without spoiling her lines.

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Looks a good stiff boat,by the looks of the sea state

 

[Romeo]

The original Wanderer 3 seems to be have stanchions & guardrails without spoiling her lines.

Yes, I can just about make our her lines under all that clutter. I can see the attraction of having the dinghy, boom gallows, self steering gear, bumpkin, backstay, guard rails, stanchions etc...... but it is a choice.

 

[John_Silver]

Eric Tabarly's Pen Duick looking gorgeous and still in active service:



Most recently encountered in Saint-Quay-Portrieux and.....



before that, Port Louis. I do love a Fife!

 

[DownWest]

Eric Tabarly's Pen Duick looking gorgeous and still in active service:

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Most recently encountered in Saint-Quay-Portrieux and.....

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before that, Port Louis. I do love a Fife!

Yes, but he covered the original in GRP and dug out the rotten hull, but kept the deck and interior. So, a GRP composite boat.

There was a meet we attended, on the Girond, with several of the Pen Duicks I had a good look over her; Interesting...

 

[John_Silver]

Yes, but he covered the original in GRP and dug out the rotten hull, but kept the deck and interior. So, a GRP composite boat.

There was a meet we attended, on the Girond, with several of the Pen Duicks I had a good look over her; Interesting...

.....Never realised.....That's got to be up there, for French nautical pragmatism, with Bernard Moitessier's Joshua. Which wears the dents from being stranded on a reef with pride. And is also very much in active use after all these years.



Managed to get invited below decks last year, in her home port of La Rochelle.



Think the French have it right: show respect to classic boats by keeping them sailing.......

 

[DownWest]

.....Never realised.....That's got to be up there, for French nautical pragmatism, with Bernard Moitessier's Joshua. Which wears the dents from being stranded on a reef with pride. And is still very much in active use after all these years.

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Managed to get invited below decks last year, in her home port of La Rochelle.

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Think the French have it right: show respect to classic boats by keeping them sailing.......

Yep, we see her often. That galley looks a bit smart for Moitessier...

When 'doing' the Semaine du Golfe, we wandered up at Le Bono and looked in the cemetery at his grave. Very simple, just a rough stone, but decorated by loads of momentos from cruisers. Shells from far away and other personal trinklets that held memories.

 

[Tranona]

The original Wanderer 3 seems to be have stanchions & guardrails without spoiling her lines.

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The boat for sale is described as a "Wanderer" but is not the same design as Hiscock's boat, being shorter overall and on the waterline and wider beam. So probably more accurately described as Wanderer type. Hiscock wanted to maximise space within the 30'overall so the bow is bluff and waterline is 26' plus the bumpkin is there to extend the sailplan. The boat for sale has a 24' waterline so a finer bow with greater overhang and an inboard rig. Hopefully the drawings come with the boat so that it can be completed according to the original design and not messed about with a secondhand rig. The photos clearly show stanchions lying on the deck and bases already installed - as are the chainplates. So clearly intended to have guard wires and pulpit/pushpit

It would be sacrilege not to complete the boat to the original plans and specification, although not sure there is anybody brave enough with the skills and money to do it justice. 10 years ago I might have considered it. It will make a superb boat of its type.