Cantata
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If you're down Poole way, I used a surveyor down there to do exactly what you're asking, for exactly the same reason. Send a PM if you want to know who it was.
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To survey or not...?
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Reccomendations ...
I would balk at Brokers recc'ds ..... as I know from my own experience that ....
A very well known and respected Brokers in UK told me that a) they couldn't actually name or influence a choice of surveyor to a customer, in case of bias claims etc. BUT they would place my name on the list of surveyors and put it at or near top ... adding that second name on the list would be best - as that was what most human nature people chose. Mmmm.
So I would still stick with the local yards and owners / yacht clubs etc.
AND I agree that most sensible people that have been around boats for long enough can see many faults and save a lot of hassle and possible wasted surveys .... sort of weed out the crud and the boat that really catches the eye etc. be surveyed if that is what is wanted.
I do not claim and I would not like to think that other survyors claim to know all the answers ... we certainly do not.
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I would balk at Brokers recc'ds ..... as I know from my own experience that ....
A very well known and respected Brokers in UK told me that a) they couldn't actually name or influence a choice of surveyor to a customer, in case of bias claims etc. BUT they would place my name on the list of surveyors and put it at or near top ... adding that second name on the list would be best - as that was what most human nature people chose. Mmmm.
So I would still stick with the local yards and owners / yacht clubs etc.
AND I agree that most sensible people that have been around boats for long enough can see many faults and save a lot of hassle and possible wasted surveys .... sort of weed out the crud and the boat that really catches the eye etc. be surveyed if that is what is wanted.
I do not claim and I would not like to think that other survyors claim to know all the answers ... we certainly do not.
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poggy
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Re: OK ... but read on ..
Hi,
I would be very surprised if your average sailor could properly survey a boat. I am not a surveyor and I did pick up on things that the surveyor missed, however those bits were not really important. What is important is structural integrity and for that you need a professional. What might be a small surface crack, could indicate something more serious. Also they can pick up on things like incorrect size of rigging, wrong materials etc.
As far as engines are concerned they do not normally form part of a survey unless you ask. I had our boat surveyed and then had a seperate engine report done. For a surveyor to give the full report we desire, he would have to sail it, use the engine, then have in lifted, leave it to dry then get the moisture readings, the mast would need to be unstepped and inspected. You don't get all that for £300-400. Basically if you can't see or reach it, the surveyor can't either.
The surveyor is not an insurance policy, however if they do make an obvious mistake you can sue them regardless of the way they worded their contract.
Poggy
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Hi,
I would be very surprised if your average sailor could properly survey a boat. I am not a surveyor and I did pick up on things that the surveyor missed, however those bits were not really important. What is important is structural integrity and for that you need a professional. What might be a small surface crack, could indicate something more serious. Also they can pick up on things like incorrect size of rigging, wrong materials etc.
As far as engines are concerned they do not normally form part of a survey unless you ask. I had our boat surveyed and then had a seperate engine report done. For a surveyor to give the full report we desire, he would have to sail it, use the engine, then have in lifted, leave it to dry then get the moisture readings, the mast would need to be unstepped and inspected. You don't get all that for £300-400. Basically if you can't see or reach it, the surveyor can't either.
The surveyor is not an insurance policy, however if they do make an obvious mistake you can sue them regardless of the way they worded their contract.
Poggy
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Thank you Poggy ....
But I would say that many boat owners I know are good at checking out boats ..... OK they don't look for things that I would look for .... etc. but thats what I'm paid for ...
Now is time for me come of my pedestal and return to be a forumite .....
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But I would say that many boat owners I know are good at checking out boats ..... OK they don't look for things that I would look for .... etc. but thats what I'm paid for ...
Now is time for me come of my pedestal and return to be a forumite .....
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muchy_
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Re: OK ... but read on ..
I was in no way suggesting that surveyors are rip off merchants and hope that is not the impression that I gave. All I meant was that someone who is familiar with boats and their construction would be wasting their money in having a survey as most major faults would be easily spotted and any minor faults that are missed are not really a concern on the age and value of boats that we are talking about here. For a first time buyer or someone with little or no understanding of boat construction then a survey would be a good idea.
I understand that suveyers would like to cover themselves, God knows I would in that position but the friend of mine who bought the boat with these problems is spitting blood. After all, if he had not got a survey and just looked at it himself he would have discovered things were not quite right straight away, instead he is stuck with it. Obviously it must have been a cowboy because the checks that were suposed to be done just simply were not and that gives you all a bad name just like in any proffession.
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I was in no way suggesting that surveyors are rip off merchants and hope that is not the impression that I gave. All I meant was that someone who is familiar with boats and their construction would be wasting their money in having a survey as most major faults would be easily spotted and any minor faults that are missed are not really a concern on the age and value of boats that we are talking about here. For a first time buyer or someone with little or no understanding of boat construction then a survey would be a good idea.
I understand that suveyers would like to cover themselves, God knows I would in that position but the friend of mine who bought the boat with these problems is spitting blood. After all, if he had not got a survey and just looked at it himself he would have discovered things were not quite right straight away, instead he is stuck with it. Obviously it must have been a cowboy because the checks that were suposed to be done just simply were not and that gives you all a bad name just like in any proffession.
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victor_meldrew
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Re: OK ... but read on ..
A commonly accepted definition of a 'profession' is an occupation that is regulated by a governing body which defines enforceable standards and procedures. If, as you contend, <font color=red>....The so called professional bodies are mickey mouse outfits that don't enforce standards or professionalism. </font color=red> then yacht surveying fails this definition and is by default, a trade. Bit like garage services or painting and decorating, and perhaps we should approach them in this light which should lower expectations and and surprise when a less than perfect job is done.
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A commonly accepted definition of a 'profession' is an occupation that is regulated by a governing body which defines enforceable standards and procedures. If, as you contend, <font color=red>....The so called professional bodies are mickey mouse outfits that don't enforce standards or professionalism. </font color=red> then yacht surveying fails this definition and is by default, a trade. Bit like garage services or painting and decorating, and perhaps we should approach them in this light which should lower expectations and and surprise when a less than perfect job is done.
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Associations ...
They set their own standards and are not official.
I refused to follow them as I considered myself a) to cahrge fair fees for b) a fair job that I did not feel could be dictated by self-appointed assessors.
I am not the only one who feels this way in this work. But a lot of surveyors I feel join because of the promulgation of the myth of the Associations 'Professional Qualifications'- to stay in business.
Having fallen foul of 2 so-called experts called in by Insurance Co's - who I subsequently 'disembowelled' in front of the clients etc. I feel my decision was right to stay independent. BTW - they are still members and claiming professional & qualified ....
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They set their own standards and are not official.
I refused to follow them as I considered myself a) to cahrge fair fees for b) a fair job that I did not feel could be dictated by self-appointed assessors.
I am not the only one who feels this way in this work. But a lot of surveyors I feel join because of the promulgation of the myth of the Associations 'Professional Qualifications'- to stay in business.
Having fallen foul of 2 so-called experts called in by Insurance Co's - who I subsequently 'disembowelled' in front of the clients etc. I feel my decision was right to stay independent. BTW - they are still members and claiming professional & qualified ....
<hr width=100% size=1>Nigel ...
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