Thinking of re-engining my Corniche

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I am seriously considering putting a brand new pair of TAMD41Ps into my Corniche. The boat is immaculate with some excellent eqipment and new interior etc but as many may know I have lacked confidence in my engines. Whilst they have never let us down I am always paying to have some leak or gasket replaced and now I suspect I have a head gasket and possibly alternator issues....

This is going to cost me around £20k I guess to do and I wondered what sort of affect this may have on resale etc?

The guy at Coastal Rides has been recommended to me and seems to know his stuff.

Any comments would be appreciated

Nick

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We thought about it as well on our boat, the same reason, but then we started to think about value of boat and cost recovered etc and it just seemed to be too much to lay out.

We have several oil and water leaks, but they are slow ones. Our engines have done around 500hours each, which is pretty low for a 15 year old boat. I think the engines are fine and we just mop up the leaks every now and then.

Have you thought about getting your current engines re-conditioned, we had a quote on our ad31's for £5k per engine. All seals are replaced, the engines come back as good as new pretty much and you save yourself a heap of cash.

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No need to answer, just look at the price of "Gypsy Island" the Turbo 36 that featured in one of the mag's having it's engines changed for a pair of Yanmar 350's. Not sure what it is down to now but been on the market for around 2 years. Last price I saw was around the same as a similar model with VP 306 hp's.

Forget it.
Sell the boat and buy something newer if you are that worried. Alternatively have the engines properly checked and fixed by a decent engineer.
If I remember rightly you had the boat on the river (Thames)? Big engines don't like going slowly!

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Nick

A Doctor writes.......

"Its the time of year, you have too much time to think and worry. The condition is Boatowners Paranoia and you are showing classic symptoms ie You are continually spending relatively small but significant amounts on repairs and there always appears to be something else so why not correct it by buying new. After all as a boatowner you have to spend lots on your boat or you are being negligent - and lets face its DAYS since you last spent money on it.

The guilt involved in this thinking has been eased by the fact the other members of your household (ie Joanne) has herself been spending money on a new TV! so spending on the boat is OK.

As the first stage of recovery you need to read Practical Boat Owner - here you will see that there are many boatowners who think there are other options than "Its bust so I'll scrap it". You may find comfort in this and realise that refurbishment is the enlightened way forward. (As well as learning other useful things such as how to make your own fenders using plastic Coca Cola bottles - invaluable)

We all hope you do.

Keep taking the tablets

Martyn











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Ok I hear what you are saying but we actually like our boat very much and I am concerned that 20k will not go very far when upgrading. Say we go to the next step which could be a Phantom 38 for 100k on top of ours the money we would have spent on re engining ours seems cheap as we should get a few years trouble free boating.....rather than paying out or worse still for me borrowing heaps of money to gain the reassurance that I am after.

Perhaps I am mad but this is the basis of my logic......but all your comments are appreciated.

Nick

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:-)

I am sure that there is some truth here......

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Yup - sure remember mine is on shafts and they will give me px deal for mine.

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Shame on you, Nick. Alternator issues warranting an engine swap??? Even you could change an alternator, and the damn things would only cost you £300 for a pair.

Head gaskets may be beyond your (perceived) capabilities, but trust me, they're not that difficult.

Even if you had the heads removed and skimmed, I doubt you'd be talking more than a couple of grand. In fact, given that Volvo warranty is now only 1 year, give me the twenty grand, I'll overhaul your present lumps, and keep them running for the next year at my own expense...

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You'll be wasting your hard earned when it comes to re-sale time. Definitely agree with others who say get the present ones properly overhauled, even two grand to have the head off and skimmed seems generous. A days work, mebbe 2 at most, skimming should cost about a hundred quid, new head gasket set, no idea of cost for Volvo but for mine it was just over a hundred, so if it cost more than a grand I'd be surprised. Leaves plenty for a new alternator, maybe another hundred quid and another 19K for some new green paint! I'll supply and apply the green stuff for 10K, so you'll still be almost 10K in pocket. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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Re: Thinking of what.....

Nick.All older boat engines dribble a bit there and weep a bit there.If they do not it means that there is no water or oil in em.After any big trips out and working the motors a bit hard,my green monsters always weep out a bit of oil from the turbo exhausts and a dribble of water from not sure where,poss filler bottles.To say nothing of the black dust from the alternator belt.All it takes is a bit of sponging up and a wipe off with a old pair of the wifes nickers.
Mine have done 2500 hrs and I will be very very disappointed if any real money needs to be spent before double that amount creeps onto the hobbs meter.
top end gasket kit for 41 is listed at 100 quids.

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Nick

I agree with Mike T, sell the boat if you are unhappy, it would be a financial mistake and I suspect £20K is optimistic if you include getting the old ones removed and new ones fitted.

As you know I had considered the same thing and have discounted for same reasons as already mentioned.

The only way you could justify it, would be if you were going to keep the boat for ten years. Then the loss over the ten years may just about be worth it for ten years peace of mind.

But as I suspect you are like me and will get itchy feet within a couple of years, suggest it would be better to live with the irritations and then trade up.

regards

Mike


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Re: OK perhaps I have calmed down a bit now

Thanks all for your notes of sanity. Its just that whilst I am always having my engines improved they still leak water and now some oil. Perhaps a top end fix is sensible and my engineer is going to have a look on Wednesday for me.

I guess that I am always striving for perfection which is difficult to achieve in an older boat. If it were a car it would be sold on by now as I am one of those cowards who does not want a car out of warranty period. Boat is differant ball game financially and to an extent emotionally....

The main issues seem to be the never ending coolant leak from each engine (cant work out where its leaking from) and the recently noted oily leak from where the head meets the block (head gasket I suspect).

I should not forget that these engines have never let me down......

Any ideas greatly appreciated

Thanks

Nick

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A COUPLE OF GRAND FOR A COUPLE OF HEAD REBUILDS!!!!! Bloody hell at that price I'll do'em

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Re: OK perhaps I have calmed down a bit now

I typed a long winded reply, but screen froze. When I refreshed it had gone.
Can't be bothered to re type, but in a nutshell.............You're bonkers to even consider it.

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Re: OK perhaps I have calmed down a bit now

Nick,

Myself and my Dad are exactly the same, always striving for perfection. You will not get it on an old boat, not unless you spend silly money!! To the point that you may as well buy a boat that is only a year old or something.

We now have oil soakers under the engine, even though our engines only leak a very small amount of oil, once it hits the water in the bildge it looks like a major leak so these oil soakers which are only a few quick capture the oil and leave lovely clean water!

I think, check your fluid levels, have a wipe up and then close the hatches and enjoy your boat! If an engine does go bang, then spend the money that you were originally going to spend on replacing it, but until then, stick with what you have got.



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Re: OK perhaps I have calmed down a bit now

Try your back button, that normally gets my text back

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