Studland - RYA Response

[st599]

What is the carbon sequestration contribution of an anchorage sized seagrass meadow?

Twice that of a similar acreage of forest.

 

[ryanroberts]

Twice that of a similar acreage of forest.

That's pretty cool. But I imagine rather more difficult to arrange things on land so that nobody is allowed to walk through it what with the ramblers and all.

 

[penfold]

Doubt away dear fellow, Natural Scotland will be using the very same flawed science in due course to bring in anchoring restrictions where you sail.

Studland is the first area to go under the cosh there is a whole list of other areas in England that have already been consulted on, which is why all eyes are on Studland.

Your turn will come

They'd get told to go forth and multiply; as long as bottom trawling and scallop dredging are legal and fish farms are allowed to dump untreated industrial waste into the sea and don't get fined when thousands of fish escape from their flimsy cages, the damage that may or may not be caused by moorings and anchoring is vanishingly insignificant.

 

[Blue Sunray]

They'd get told to go forth and multiply; as long as bottom trawling and scallop dredging are legal and fish farms are allowed to dump untreated industrial waste into the sea and don't get fined when thousands of fish escape from their flimsy cages, the damage that may or may not be caused by moorings and anchoring is vanishingly insignificant.

If you go back over the various threads you'll find pretty much the same naive prediction about what would happen at Studland.

 

[penfold]

When we have that poltroon Ewing having unminuted meetings with MEGASALMONLOLZ LTD in between doing deals with Greensill I'm quite sure the current set of thieves and charlatans will try and sell us down the river; that does not impact upon my ability to thumb my nose at them, either at the ballot box or by anchoring where I choose and believe is safe.

 

[Blue Sunray]

When we have that poltroon Ewing having unminuted meetings with MEGASALMONLOLZ LTD in between doing deals with Greensill I'm quite sure the current set of thieves and charlatans will try and sell us down the river; that does not impact upon my ability to thumb my nose at them, either at the ballot box or by anchoring where I choose and believe is safe.

There's a fair few internet warriors saying similar about Studland on various fora, I guess we'll see how this translates to reality over the next 18 months.

 

[Tranona]

Well I would accept sensible restrictions to my activities. If that will positively benefit the ecology. The thing is that I am in no position to make any judgement. We have to rely on scientists to advise. There is no balanced debate on here. Just a one sided argument.

The problem is that if you actually read the so called "science", little of it is grounded in the particular location but "borrowed" from other locations which are fundamentally different. There has been no serious research carried out specifically on Studland. That which has been is largely by charlatans who start from a position that meets with their own prejudicies and then forces their evidence to fit. Those of us who have spent a lifetime in academic research can spot them a mile off, but politicians and civil servants love them because they can hide behind them and point to the celebrities and professional campaigners who support them as evidence of public concern and acceptance.

 

[Moonbeam]

Plymouth LNTM... Voluntary anchor ban introduced in Jennycliff Bay due to the seagrass planting mentioned above. I've looked at the no anchor zone on the chartlet and compared it to where we usually anchor on our chartplotter and it covers everywhere we usually anchor. PLNTM 034 JENNYCLIFF BAY VOLUNTARY NO ANCHOR ZONE | Royal Navy

 

[JumbleDuck]

If you go back over the various threads you'll find pretty much the same naive prediction about what would happen at Studland.

To be fair, though, there is nowhere (that I know of) in Scotland quite like Studland, with scores or even hundreds of boats anchoring off a popular beach.

 

[Scotsailor]

To be fair, though, there is nowhere (that I know of) in Scotland quite like Studland, with scores or even hundreds of boats anchoring off a popular beach.

I saw a boat anchored in Ettrick Bay once?

 

[JumbleDuck]

I saw a boat anchored in Ettrick Bay once?

Living dangerously, eh? I've tried to find out what the underwater obstructions there are, without success. Something wartime, probably.

 

[oldharry]

When we have that poltroon Ewing having unminuted meetings with MEGASALMONLOLZ LTD in between doing deals with Greensill I'm quite sure the current set of thieves and charlatans will try and sell us down the river; that does not impact upon my ability to thumb my nose at them, either at the ballot box or by anchoring where I choose and believe is safe.

Thats Ok until someone comes along to enforce it. You could then find yourself faced with a bill for <£20k + costs from the local magistrate. Ignorance of the law etc...

 

[DJE]

Got a reply from my MP. She is aware of the strength of feeling about MMO's proposals for Studland but is not in a position to directly intervene. I propose to ask her if this means that MMO can spend taxpayer's money and curtail the liberties of citizens while not being accountable to parliament?

 

[doug748]

Got a reply from my MP. She is aware of the strength of feeling about MMO's proposals for Studland but is not in a position to directly intervene. I propose to ask her if this means that MMO can spend taxpayer's money and curtail the liberties of citizens while not being accountable to parliament?

Excellent,

You got a response, all mine ever says is: "I have passed on your letter.......... for the appropriate department to respond"

They are bound to say that NGOs are independent and have a life of their own but we all know that political pressure does count.
Good for you. I will be giving mine another blast shortly and be asking her flatly: is she aware of this matter, does she understand it and what is her position.

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[penfold]

Thats Ok until someone comes along to enforce it. You could then find yourself faced with a bill for <£20k + costs from the local magistrate. Ignorance of the law etc...

Complacent in the sense that the west coast of Scotland has an anchorage every 200 yards; there's only one Studland. Enforcing a ban at the latter is quantifiable and the MMO might feasibly have a budget for it, for the former there's not a chance anyone will pony up a budget of millions for patrolling thousands of miles of coastline in case someone's dropped an anchor on Spongebob's house.

 

[chrishscorp]

Got a reply from my MP. She is aware of the strength of feeling about MMO's proposals for Studland but is not in a position to directly intervene. I propose to ask her if this means that MMO can spend taxpayer's money and curtail the liberties of citizens while not being accountable to parliament?

Fareham ?, Presuming your MP is the Attorney General.

 

[DJE]

Fareham ?, Presuming your MP is the Attorney General.

Yes that's her, she should be up to speed on legal matters. TBH I thought she was still on maternity leave!

 

[DJE]

Got a reply from my MP. She is aware of the strength of feeling about MMO's proposals for Studland but is not in a position to directly intervene. I propose to ask her if this means that MMO can spend taxpayer's money and curtail the liberties of citizens while not being accountable to parliament?

Asked her that and now - though unable to intervene in the MMO's decision-making process in this instance - she is going to write to them on my behalf raising my concerns. Seems you have to stick at it with these politicos.

 

[doug748]

Asked her that and now - though unable to intervene in the MMO's decision-making process in this instance - she is going to write to them on my behalf raising my concerns. Seems you have to stick at it with these politicos.

Keep chipping away.

I have had a reply from my MP with a response from Victoria Prentis at the old Min of Ag. Whilst it was a good deal of cut and stick there was clear evidence that the points I raised had been read and digested.

Of course this achieves nothing but it raises the questions in at least two peoples mind. I shall now respond to my MP inter alia contrasting the attitude taken in Plymouth over the seagrass planting with the confrontational attitude taken at Studland; copy to Ms Prentis.

I have also had a very cheering response from one of the partners in the Plymouth project. I congratulated him on his stance, that was very pro education and working towards inclusion rather than environmental bans. We sometimes forget that people have to fight their corner and support is important. I notice he copied the correspondence to 8 other people - so that is a few more with something to think about

Still might achieve little but it has more chance of success than sitting in an armchair getting cross.

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[RogerJolly]

As an alternative just round the corner, am wondering why we can't have a marina in Swanage.

Looks like it's been mooted before but scuppered for some reason.