Studland - RYA Response

Tomahawk

Well-known member
Joined
5 Sep 2010
Messages
19,148
Location
Where life is good
Visit site
By way of an aside, I phoned up my local council and asked them what the RYA have said with regards to the emerging Local Plan. We have three major boating centres on our patch of coast so one should expect the RYA to be making comments to protect boating from enviro huggers.

Nada, zilch, not a dickie. By comparison the RSPB and CPRE have both made extensive comments in support of their hobbies. I conclude the RYA is a waste of our time.
 

penfold

Well-known member
Joined
25 Aug 2003
Messages
7,729
Location
On the Clyde
Visit site
Just come across this interesting report about seeding seagrass in Plymouth.

Seagrass meadow planting begins today in Plymouth Sound - Marine Industry News

More surprising is the RYA's involvement.
Nice to see the article perpetuating what amounts to nonsense;
This work is extremely important as it is estimated that the UK may have lost up to 92 per cent of its seagrass. Factors including wasting disease, pollution and physical disturbance have been identified as contributing causes.
May is doing some very heavy lifting here.
 
Joined
31 Jul 2015
Messages
530
Visit site
Well I am pleased that the RYA are getting involved with the seagrass initiative. … to be honest it is very difficult to know what the truth is on this whole matter. The information on these forums is completely one sided.
 

penfold

Well-known member
Joined
25 Aug 2003
Messages
7,729
Location
On the Clyde
Visit site
Well I am pleased that the RYA are getting involved with the seagrass initiative. … to be honest it is very difficult to know what the truth is on this whole matter. The information on these forums is completely one sided.
The info is one-sided because the ivory tower types have done heehaw original research, they take a pasting on here because they're making it up.
 

RobbieW

Well-known member
Joined
24 Jun 2007
Messages
5,037
Location
On land for now
Visit site
The info is one-sided because the ivory tower types have done heehaw original research, they take a pasting on here because they're making it up.
I think its more that the research used isnt based on the seagrass types that typically grow in UK waters. Those that do grow here have different characteristics as reported by @oldharry and @MarlynSpyke
 

JumbleDuck

Well-known member
Joined
8 Aug 2013
Messages
24,167
Location
SW Scotland
Visit site
The info is one-sided because the ivory tower types have done heehaw original research, they take a pasting on here because they're making it up.
I'm pretty sure that "ivory tower types" do carry out original research. It's the obsessive nutters (and BBC presenters) trying to have their prejudices enshrined in law who avoid reality.
 

ryanroberts

Well-known member
Joined
25 Jul 2019
Messages
894
Visit site
A reasonable move for the RYA if they are so genuinely fascinated by seagrass.. would be to sponsor some original science (preferably done by someone with a boat) into British species and the specific impact of anchoring, while still maintaining a position that anchoring should be protected, it is not like they are short of cash. I suspect NE would find another excuse, but if we are forced to play the game then.
 

RobbieW

Well-known member
Joined
24 Jun 2007
Messages
5,037
Location
On land for now
Visit site
A reasonable move for the RYA if they are so genuinely fascinated by seagrass.. would be to sponsor some original science (preferably done by someone with a boat) into British species and the specific impact of anchoring, while still maintaining a position that anchoring should be protected, it is not like they are short of cash. I suspect NE would find another excuse, but if we are forced to play the game then.
@MarlynSpyke has written a recent summary, https://boatownersresponse.org.uk/eelgrass-evidence-overview-2021.pdf, which has been sent to the RYA in an effort to persuade them to change thier stance on scientific evidence from NE. If that leads to the RYA sponsoring research by an expert acceptable to the MMO so much the better
 

DJE

Well-known member
Joined
21 Jun 2004
Messages
7,666
Location
Fareham
www.casl.uk.com

Ian_Rob

Well-known member
Joined
31 Jan 2008
Messages
1,161
Visit site
Is it not the case that the uprooting of some eelgrass (including Zostera Marina) is beneficial in that it is an important way in which rhizome fragments and seed laden flowering shoots with the potential for new growth are actually spread?
 
Last edited:

oldharry

Well-known member
Joined
30 May 2001
Messages
9,959
Location
North from the Nab about 10 miles
Visit site
Is it not the case that the uprooting of some eelgrass (including Zostera Marina) is beneficial in that it is an important way in which rhizome fragments and seed laden flowering shoots with the potential for new growth are actually spread?
No its never been proved or disproved. Some researchers have found improved health after disturbance, but other factors were present that could have caused it. What IS clear is that damaged, even obliterated eelgtrass is on record as recovering sometimes in weeks, and nearl always within 2 seasons it has returned to almost the same state as it was (shoot length, leaf width, rhizome density etc). That is the basis for our challenge. With Marlyspykes estimate that less than 2% of the total area is affected by anchoring in any season what is the issue? As he points out the chances of somebody anchoring in exactly the same spot and disturbing new growth is very slender.
 

chrishscorp

Well-known member
Joined
4 Jan 2015
Messages
2,209
Location
Live in Fareham Area, Boat in Gosport
Visit site
Well I am pleased that the RYA are getting involved with the seagrass initiative. … to be honest it is very difficult to know what the truth is on this whole matter. The information on these forums is completely one sided.

Doubt away dear fellow, Natural Scotland will be using the very same flawed science in due course to bring in anchoring restrictions where you sail.

Studland is the first area to go under the cosh there is a whole list of other areas in England that have already been consulted on, which is why all eyes are on Studland.

Your turn will come
 
Joined
31 Jul 2015
Messages
530
Visit site
Doubt away dear fellow, Natural Scotland will be using the very same flawed science in due course to bring in anchoring restrictions where you sail.

Studland is the first area to go under the cosh there is a whole list of other areas in England that have already been consulted on, which is why all eyes are on Studland.

Your turn will come
Well I would accept sensible restrictions to my activities. If that will positively benefit the ecology. The thing is that I am in no position to make any judgement. We have to rely on scientists to advise. There is no balanced debate on here. Just a one sided argument.
 

Concerto

Well-known member
Joined
16 Jul 2014
Messages
6,154
Location
Chatham Maritime Marina
Visit site
Well I would accept sensible restrictions to my activities. If that will positively benefit the ecology. The thing is that I am in no position to make any judgement. We have to rely on scientists to advise. There is no balanced debate on here. Just a one sided argument.
I agree NE are only considering a one sided argument as they consider all the data provided by BORG as not from a scientist. Talk about ignoring confirmed increasing area of eelgrass at Studland over the past 60 years as per photographic evidence provided by BORG. The speed that MMO are proposing to implement an anchor ban, probably in June, which may be fine to a landlubber, but in the marine world all current almanacs work on information from last summer. Many sailors rely on information provided by an almanac and probably do not follow a thread like this for up to date infomation.
 

Boathook

Well-known member
Joined
5 Oct 2001
Messages
9,134
Location
Surrey & boat in Dorset.
Visit site
Well I would accept sensible restrictions to my activities. If that will positively benefit the ecology. The thing is that I am in no position to make any judgement. We have to rely on scientists to advise. There is no balanced debate on here. Just a one sided argument.
The scientists seem biased to me about Studland. More to protect their jobs rather that be honest about what they don't know imho.
 

st599

Well-known member
Joined
9 Jan 2006
Messages
7,571
Visit site
With regards to laying a seagrass meadow in Plymouth Sound, why do it Jennycliffe Bay which is a recognised anchorage. There a plenty of places around the sound of the right depth and less disturbed. Or is this to prove a point. The RYA should of at least queried the science.

Is it not there because it is an anchorage, to allow study of how a mooring can be utilised within a seagrass meadow? The RYA are involved in the testing of the new advanced moorings in Yarmouth and elsewhere. https://thegreenblue.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/The-Green-Guide-to-Anchoring-Moorings.pdf

If you look at the governments plans to increase carbon sequestration which is critical for the targets the UK announced this week, quite a bit of the heavy lifting is being done by new seagrass meadows, salt meadows etc.. Net Zero Champions — Conservative Environment Network
http://brightblue.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Final-Delivering-net-zero.pdf
 
Top