Some more stupid questions! Long post.

[Steve101]

I have enough bad influences!

tcm, You're mad. Please delete this post or I'm gonna end up living on the damn thing. She'd be down the estate agents the next day saying "Just get the best price you can!" She's worse than I am! I think I'm gonna have to let PKB talk to Ange about this or else it's all gonna go pear shaped and I'll have to learn to fish so we can eat!!!!
I'm gonna need a boat with fresh water maker so I have something to drink!

Oh God imagine that! Not being able to afford alcohol!

tcm, this is not funny anymore, think of my children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pkb]

Re: With all due respect, you\'re the one who needs a reality check!

Think what you will Steve. You're either interested in what more experienced yachtsmen have to say or you're grandstanding. From the content of your post I think its the latter.

 

[tcm]

Re: hehe

the kids will love it: there'll be a Playstation 2 in their cabin with the rumbly handsets and a decent rib!

 

[tcm]

Re: how much more experienced?

There are indeed some certaintanties, but it is certainly not a certainty that one must start with a small boat. Indeed, some of the most experinced seafarers will never have had a boat as small as a forty footer.

 

[jimi]

Re: hehe

What kind of craft is this? Only one cabin for the kiddies .. you'll definitellyneed something bigger. However you'll need stern thrusters as well as bow thrusters. Reverse 'em & hook 'em up to the whirlpool bath and you'll have a lovely wee jacuzzi.

Jim

 

[jimi]

Re: hehe

Seriously though, if is a bit of a bigger boat & you've not got to much experience of manoevring in tight spaces a bow thruster would be a boon, I do'nt know if its standard on the Moody 38?

Jim

 

[NigeCh]

You\'re not nuts - You\'re doing the right thing

In mid-August I helped deliver a really posh boat (Farr 50) from Holland to the Med. The owner (aboard too) was 29 and retired. His sailing experience was limited ... BUT a) he had made his dosh and b) he had paid cash for his boat too. He is a really great guy. He is now cruising in the Med and plans to sail his boat to the USA next May. He will make that passage as he has guts and brains. In the two weeks that I was on his boat, I learned that if a person has the will then nothing is impossible. I take my hat off to all those who get off their butts and go out and do it - The learning curve is only as steep as you want to make it. In my opinion, most boaters never get past the first moored cleat on a marina pontoon.

Steve101, ask away ... But I don't think that you are an asker, you seem to be a doer. So go buy your Moody 38 and then set sail as and when you can.

Cheers,

NigeCh

 

[Steve101]

Who said I had loads of money!

I bought a GP14 to learn how to sail, once I've done that it's the Moody. I'm crewing on my mates Bav32 and doing my dayskippers shorebased at the mo.

I intend to charter a Moody38 next June after I do my dayskipper practical.

 

[tome]

Enough!

Steve is obviously serious about this and taking advice from the forum, so let's not get our knickers in a twist.

Most of us go through a number of boats before we end up with the ideal, or the closest to it we can afford. This is usually because we progress in both experience and spending power. Steve, on the other hand, has been mightily smitten later on in life and has the dosh to buy a reasonable boat - lucky chap! I can't see any problem with dreaming of a summer in the carrib either, as this is something my wife and I would love to do also.

The earlier advice is sound on gennys, aircon, and spinnakers. Steve's choice of boat is good, and I imagine from his posts that he has the balls to learn to handle the boat well enough with perhaps some tuition to start with.

My own 2p's worth concerning the power winches. I wouldn't bother with them on a 38ft boat. They consume a fair amount of power at the very time you are trying to preserve it (under sail), and frankly you don't need them for this size of boat provided the manual ones are large enough. We sail a 37ft boat with 760 sq ft sail and my wife, who is slight, can handle the winches comfortably.

On the other hand, they might enable you to get a man-overboard back on deck single-handed...

Happy hunting!
Tom

 

[Gerry]

Re: Who said I had loads of money!

Faint heart ne'er won sweet maiden..... Three years ago We had never sailed-now poud owners of 40footer and loving every moment- just off on two month cruise. Yes the learning curve is hard and steep-hope your marriage is strong it will need to be! Especially when coming to terms with berthing in difficult conditions. Only advice I would give is that in our case buying a well set up second hand boat from a guy retiring after a lifetime of sailing has saved us a fortune already in expensive mistakes. A year on from purchase we are making our first additional purchases to suit our lifestyle-mostly cosmetic I must add. IMHO there is nothing like using the experience of others!
Good luck- go for it....now! Listen to your wife she's bound to be right- allI can say is HWMBO listened to moi and we have never looked back!

 

[Steve101]

I think you\'ve lost the plot somewhere!

Thanks for your post. Your technical answers seem to reflect what the majority of posters have been telling me.

However your reference to "what a hero" I am seems to be sadly off course. If I may I'll point out some facts.

1. PKB questioned my credentials. I provided them! (Anything wrong with that?)

2. I have received over a dozen private posts defending such post and although I seek no endearment (Just answers to my "Stupid" questions.) I seem to have hit a nerve with quite a few fellow posters (Which I truly appreciate.(Accept tcm. Who is EVIL!)

3. I started my life with a father who drank his earnings down the pub. A mother who worked her heart out to buy us second hand clothes and in an area that resembled Beirut. So please (Mr Barrister) don't tell me I can't enjoy my hard earned wealth. I neither flaunt it nor hide my light under a bushel!

4. At no point in my original post did I say I was going to purchase any of the said extras. I was by default researching each one for feasibility.

5. At no point in my original post did I make personal pointed remarks (or request them!) about other posters. I had, in fact thought I had made good use of what this forum is for "Sharing information!".

6. Finally in my reply to PKB I was as polite as I could be even rebutting myself (along with self admission of my own lack of sailing knowledge!) when I thought I may be inferring that he was a fool (Which was not my original intention, however his subsequent post has (In my opinion.) proved it to be true).

NOW this is better then therapy!

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by Steve101 on 13/09/2002 12:53 (server time).</FONT></P>

 

[david_e]

Re: The MattS Patented Boat-Buying Gambit

How do you tackle this problem in reverse?

i.e. I am the one who keeps being sensible, they are the ones who want Swan 60.

ps. I am bredwinna and chequebook holder.

 

[Gunfleet]

ps SBS = special Boat Service, not Southampton Boat Show! Cheers! John

 

[Guest]

Re: hehe

Bow thrusters can be retro fitted and I thought about it for mine but have after one season with the 38 decided against it. She handles very predicatably and if you allow for the prop kick easier in many respects than my 336 simply because she is heavier and stays where you put her, so it is fairly low down on my list of enhancements. I would suggest that Steve has a test sail at Swanwick and looks at the ease of handling there.

Pete

 

[Steve101]

Now that's an idea! Can I keel haul people?

 

[jimi]

Re: hehe

Talking of Swanwick, I was up there last weekend & does'nt the cross current grab you when you go round the corner to Deacons! First time there so I was quite surprised!

Jim

 

[Sinbad1]

Re: I think you\'ve lost the plot somewhere!

Ah, a charming man.

Unfortunately I merely attempted to give some technical and paternal advice to a young man who wishes to embark on a sail cruising adventure. I and I am sure many others, have no interest in either your personal circumstances or your wealth.

If you wish to have boating information passed to you, then I am sure that this and other forums will be happy to provide it. I, however, will not be responding to your questions in the future.

Good luck

 

[Steve101]

Re: I think you\'ve lost the plot somewhere!

Obviously the facts are lost on you (However politely they are put!) What was your profession again?

 

[Twister_Ken]

or 4c

Go to hospital to have the frying pan removed from your ear.

 

[Twister_Ken]

just a bit more on that

Mechanical equipment tends to degrade in a marine environment more quickly when it's not used. So if you put in genset, watermaker, etc here, and let it rot for a couple of years because you've been plugged and plumbed into a marina berth, you might end up spending money getting things repaired/replaced before you can go offshore.