Dave99
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OK So who takes their ensign down every night at sunset and put it up at sunrise/~0800? And who leaves it up all night?
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So who takes their ensign down every night...
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Neraida
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80% of the time colours on Neraida are observed.
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jeanne
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We do on Iris Mary! Not always up again in the morning at 0800 though!
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Reap
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I think its fine if people wish to follow traditions.
The reason this is done of course comes from the days when the Navy was run by accountants. Realising that you could only see the ensign during daylight hours they could see a substantial saving by ordering that all ensigns are taken down during the hours of darkness.
However from a personal point of view i rarely bother and find inflexible people who tut tut tiresome.
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The reason this is done of course comes from the days when the Navy was run by accountants. Realising that you could only see the ensign during daylight hours they could see a substantial saving by ordering that all ensigns are taken down during the hours of darkness.
However from a personal point of view i rarely bother and find inflexible people who tut tut tiresome.
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BrendanS
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You need to put a frown or smiley sign after that to show you don't take it seriously?
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TheBoatman
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I try to but would have to answer, I do when I remember and I don't when I forget<s>
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Mirelle
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There is no need to fly an ensign in home waters..
so I very seldom fly one at all, unless in a foreign port, but if I do have one up, I try to remember to observe the right rituals.
Incidentally I remember witnessing a quaint scene in Manila harbour; one RN and two USN ships were in port, alongside, on opposite sides of a pier. As nightfall approached, a small USN party approached the RN ship (which was hosting a party, hence my presence) and a powwow took place adjacent to the gangway. They were working out which ship was senior so that the junior one could take time from her...
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so I very seldom fly one at all, unless in a foreign port, but if I do have one up, I try to remember to observe the right rituals.
Incidentally I remember witnessing a quaint scene in Manila harbour; one RN and two USN ships were in port, alongside, on opposite sides of a pier. As nightfall approached, a small USN party approached the RN ship (which was hosting a party, hence my presence) and a powwow took place adjacent to the gangway. They were working out which ship was senior so that the junior one could take time from her...
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Peppermint
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Re: I too rarely bother
As Reap states it was a money saving excercise, I heard it that the admiralty made captains pay for their own ensigns, and saved wear and tear. My red duster refuses to age down to that experienced looking cardinal red and remains tyro strawberry. So the more weathering it gets the better.
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As Reap states it was a money saving excercise, I heard it that the admiralty made captains pay for their own ensigns, and saved wear and tear. My red duster refuses to age down to that experienced looking cardinal red and remains tyro strawberry. So the more weathering it gets the better.
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Little_Russel
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We do. It lasts twice as long. But what you really should be asking is who bothers to put a burgee at the mast-head any more?
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Burgees .....
Most are too lazy to try and get it past the hounds etc. !!!! And who nowadays knows how to attach a burgee staff to the hoist ???? IN fact who knows what I'm talking aout !!!!!
I hoist a burgee - why ? To show me the wind direction as I'm too tight to buy a wind instrument.
Others don't I think because they have lovely little airplane look-alikes stuck on metal spikes that give a good indication of wind ........... The flag / burgee now goes on the spreader hoist.
My burgee is the RNLI burgee now mounted onto a stouter longer alloy stick of 1 metre length !!!! The original alloy stick didn't last very long as it was a it on the light side and when getting trapped on hoisting at mast-head kept bending !!!! till finally snapped !
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Bilge Keelers get up further ! I only came - cos they said there was FREE Guinness !
Most are too lazy to try and get it past the hounds etc. !!!! And who nowadays knows how to attach a burgee staff to the hoist ???? IN fact who knows what I'm talking aout !!!!!
I hoist a burgee - why ? To show me the wind direction as I'm too tight to buy a wind instrument.
Others don't I think because they have lovely little airplane look-alikes stuck on metal spikes that give a good indication of wind ........... The flag / burgee now goes on the spreader hoist.
My burgee is the RNLI burgee now mounted onto a stouter longer alloy stick of 1 metre length !!!! The original alloy stick didn't last very long as it was a it on the light side and when getting trapped on hoisting at mast-head kept bending !!!! till finally snapped !
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Bilge Keelers get up further ! I only came - cos they said there was FREE Guinness !
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I have real corker !
My lass refuses to let me fly my old'n ...... says it's too old and faded. So I was forced to buy a new print one ------- UGH !!! So I made sure I had it flap around the outboard on its stowage bracket a bit ..... dirty'd it up a bit !!!!
My Old'n now is proudly pinned to my oiffice wall !!!!!
Reminds me of the tricks that Cadets etc. used to try and age their gold'y bits !!!! AND when promoted to 4 or 3 Mate to try and get somebody's old stripes !!!!
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Bilge Keelers get up further ! I only came - cos they said there was FREE Guinness !
My lass refuses to let me fly my old'n ...... says it's too old and faded. So I was forced to buy a new print one ------- UGH !!! So I made sure I had it flap around the outboard on its stowage bracket a bit ..... dirty'd it up a bit !!!!
My Old'n now is proudly pinned to my oiffice wall !!!!!
Reminds me of the tricks that Cadets etc. used to try and age their gold'y bits !!!! AND when promoted to 4 or 3 Mate to try and get somebody's old stripes !!!!
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Bilge Keelers get up further ! I only came - cos they said there was FREE Guinness !
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If I\'m rushing to ...
If I'm rushing to get to the pub - I forget
If I have had a skinful the night before - I forget
In Estonia the Border Guards actually watch the boats going in / out and moan at you if you don't fly the flag !!!! BUt they do have a steady stream of visting boats from other shores in Tallinn !!!!
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Bilge Keelers get up further ! I only came - cos they said there was FREE Guinness !
If I'm rushing to get to the pub - I forget
If I have had a skinful the night before - I forget
In Estonia the Border Guards actually watch the boats going in / out and moan at you if you don't fly the flag !!!! BUt they do have a steady stream of visting boats from other shores in Tallinn !!!!
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Bilge Keelers get up further ! I only came - cos they said there was FREE Guinness !
Mirelle
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Burgees
I certainly always fly one. Too mean for a wind instrument, maybe.
To answer Nigel's rhetorical question...
Take a garden cane, a bit of fence wire, a nail or screw, a sail needle and thread and a dab of epoxy. Put the nail or screw in the end of the cane with a dab of epoxy to hold it there. Form an eye in one end of the fence wire round the head of the nail so it slips round but not off the end, put a 90degree bend in to align it with the cane, slide the flag on and sew it in place, bend the lower end of the wire so it encircles the cane loosely and cut it off.
Make a clove hitch in the burgee halyard about halfway down the cane and another at the lower end of the cane and hoist....
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I certainly always fly one. Too mean for a wind instrument, maybe.
To answer Nigel's rhetorical question...
Take a garden cane, a bit of fence wire, a nail or screw, a sail needle and thread and a dab of epoxy. Put the nail or screw in the end of the cane with a dab of epoxy to hold it there. Form an eye in one end of the fence wire round the head of the nail so it slips round but not off the end, put a 90degree bend in to align it with the cane, slide the flag on and sew it in place, bend the lower end of the wire so it encircles the cane loosely and cut it off.
Make a clove hitch in the burgee halyard about halfway down the cane and another at the lower end of the cane and hoist....
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Reap
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You need to put a frown or smiley sign after that to show you don't take it seriously?
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You need to put a frown or smiley sign after that to show you don't take it seriously?
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B&Q to the rescue !!
1 mtr of 6mm alloy thick wall tube.
1 small screw with wide head
1 washer to fit above screw
1 length of piano wire
Suitable bit of cloth / old burgee etc.
Bend wire so that mid section is straight and agrees with flag hoist side.
At each end of this straight part bend 90 deg.
Place against alloy tube and decide how far off tube you want flag to stand .......
mark the right angle ends. Now bend one end to a ring and overlap the bend by at least half circle. This ring should be a lose fit over the tube. Now solder the ring so that its permanent. Take other end and bend s small ring that fits the screw without passing over head ...... OR you can use a large electrical ring connector ......
Cut off excess.
Now thread the flag hem onto the wire, sew it into place so that it doesn't bunch up.
Pass large ring over tube, put screw through small ring with washer between ring and screw head and now screw into top of tube ....... of course the screw / tube inner diamter are suitable sizes to match !!!!
No need for epoxy - will last a long time, is light and reasonably weather proof.
It would be really nice to see some of the older traditional practices revived ..... burgees of mastheads etc. etc. there are many that have died with the oncoming electronic / gadget age ...... maybe I'm just old for my 47 yrs ????
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Bilge Keelers get up further ! I only came - cos they said there was FREE Guinness !
1 mtr of 6mm alloy thick wall tube.
1 small screw with wide head
1 washer to fit above screw
1 length of piano wire
Suitable bit of cloth / old burgee etc.
Bend wire so that mid section is straight and agrees with flag hoist side.
At each end of this straight part bend 90 deg.
Place against alloy tube and decide how far off tube you want flag to stand .......
mark the right angle ends. Now bend one end to a ring and overlap the bend by at least half circle. This ring should be a lose fit over the tube. Now solder the ring so that its permanent. Take other end and bend s small ring that fits the screw without passing over head ...... OR you can use a large electrical ring connector ......
Cut off excess.
Now thread the flag hem onto the wire, sew it into place so that it doesn't bunch up.
Pass large ring over tube, put screw through small ring with washer between ring and screw head and now screw into top of tube ....... of course the screw / tube inner diamter are suitable sizes to match !!!!
No need for epoxy - will last a long time, is light and reasonably weather proof.
It would be really nice to see some of the older traditional practices revived ..... burgees of mastheads etc. etc. there are many that have died with the oncoming electronic / gadget age ...... maybe I'm just old for my 47 yrs ????
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Bilge Keelers get up further ! I only came - cos they said there was FREE Guinness !
Mirelle
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High tech!
Alloy mast = alloy burgee stick
Wooden mast = bamboo burgee stick
Suspect yours may be better; mine can chatter a bit at anchor in a breeze.
There's a Nigel Irens Romilly modern lugger, with carbon fibre spars, down the river - flies a burgee - must look closely to see what she's got!
Suspect that many people have such a Christmas tree at the masthead with wind instruments, VHF aerial, lights, etc. that they have abandoned the attempt to get a burgee up there, whereas 20-30 years ago the wind instruments would have been offset to clear the burgee!
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Alloy mast = alloy burgee stick
Wooden mast = bamboo burgee stick
Suspect yours may be better; mine can chatter a bit at anchor in a breeze.
There's a Nigel Irens Romilly modern lugger, with carbon fibre spars, down the river - flies a burgee - must look closely to see what she's got!
Suspect that many people have such a Christmas tree at the masthead with wind instruments, VHF aerial, lights, etc. that they have abandoned the attempt to get a burgee up there, whereas 20-30 years ago the wind instruments would have been offset to clear the burgee!
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Jacket
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Re: I too rarely bother
Maybe I should have weathered mine less, as its now a delightful shade of pale pink.
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Maybe I should have weathered mine less, as its now a delightful shade of pale pink.
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rich
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Re: I too rarely bother
Our's goes up in may, and stays there, but not much left now.
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Our's goes up in may, and stays there, but not much left now.
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Birdseye
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Re: I too rarely bother
my ensign (nice red dragon on a green background) is faded and tatty, so I dont bother putting it up at all now, unless I go foreign, to England.
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my ensign (nice red dragon on a green background) is faded and tatty, so I dont bother putting it up at all now, unless I go foreign, to England.
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Birdseye
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Re: I too rarely bother
my ensign (nice red dragon on a green background) is faded and tatty, so I dont bother putting it up at all now, unless I go foreign, to England./forums/images/icons/wink.gif
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my ensign (nice red dragon on a green background) is faded and tatty, so I dont bother putting it up at all now, unless I go foreign, to England./forums/images/icons/wink.gif
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