Small twenty foot ish all weather sailing boats any names?

[Kukri]

Seriously, does nayone really believe in the idea of an 'all weather 20ft boat'?
I'd recommend a dose of reality.
There are many small boats which will cope with 'a lot of weather'.
But 'all weather' is more than that (and arguably getting worse!).

I think those are two very good points.

The weather is getting worse.

A really good 20 foot boat will go to windward in a 6. She won’t be comfortable doing it. She will probably remain afloat in a 9 or a 10 but there is a big risk of her being rolled and losing the rig, and she will be hellishly uncomfortable.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Seriously, does nayone really believe in the idea of an 'all weather 20ft boat'?

Roger Taylor?

 

[Mark-1]

Seriously, does nayone really believe in the idea of an 'all weather 20ft boat'?
I'd recommend a dose of reality.
There are many small boats which will cope with 'a lot of weather'.
But 'all weather' is more than that (and arguably getting worse!).

Much easier to make a 20 foot boat bullet proof than a 40 ft boat. At the extreme a 2lt coke bottle is bomb proof on the water.

Roger Taylor proves a Corribee/Achilles 24 can be made to handle anything the sea can throw at it.

 

[Mark-1]

I think those are two very good points.

The weather is getting worse.

A really good 20 foot boat will go to windward in a 6. She won’t be comfortable doing it. She will probably remain afloat in a 9 or a 10 but there is a big risk of her being rolled and losing the rig, and she will be hellishly uncomfortable.

I suspect a stubby little Corribee Mast is a lot less vulnerable than you average 35 footer's. I also think comfort is not important for this hypothetical heavy weather small boat. Finally, I suspect the OP hasn't got struggling up wind in a 6 in mind, rather sleigh rides surfing downhill in a gale.

If this thread is about the sort of conditions you can sail upwind in then it's entertainment factor is a bit lower than I imagined. ?

 

[Mark-1]

Although, I just checked and the OP did use the term "weatherly"...

 

[NealB]

Roger Taylor?

And Robert Manry (Tinkerbelle)?

 

[Blueboatman]

Cape Dory Typhoon anyone?
18’6” , Carl Alberg design from -I think -the 1960s.
A pocket ‘ proper’ long keeler and a joyful daysailer to boot .
For when you get through all those ultimate storms to somewheres warm, clear watered and balmy breezed...

 

[TernVI]

Sure you can survive mid-ocean in some small boats.
And a small boat may survive better than some larger ones, being much smaller than the waves, it can sit there like a dumb coke bottle.
But to be actually functioning as an all weater boat you need to get to mid ocean and your Corribbee or whatever is going to struggle to make ground to windward in a F10 in the choppy shallow waters of the English Channel.
Perhaps I'm the only one including 'sea conditions' in weather.
Your indestructible coke bottle becomes litter on the beach.

What 20-ish foot boat would have taken this weeks South Coast weather in its stride?
None.

 

[Wansworth]

I should imagine the skipper of a small boat would be prudent and stay in harbour whilst gales lashed the channel waters,taking with an owner and voyager of a westerly 22 they managed to get about.

 

[Mark-1]

Sure you can survive mid-ocean in some small boats.
And a small boat may survive better than some larger ones, being much smaller than the waves, it can sit there like a dumb coke bottle.
But to be actually functioning as an all weater boat you need to get to mid ocean and your Corribbee or whatever is going to struggle to make ground to windward in a F10 in the choppy shallow waters of the English Channel.
Perhaps I'm the only one including 'sea conditions' in weather.
Your indestructible coke bottle becomes litter on the beach.

What 20-ish foot boat would have taken this weeks South Coast weather in its stride?
None.

Down wind, all of them. Up wind, no idea.

 

[NealB]

Cape Dory Typhoon anyone?
18’6” , Carl Alberg design from -I think -the 1960s.
A pocket ‘ proper’ long keeler and a joyful daysailer to boot .
For when you get through all those ultimate storms to somewheres warm, clear watered and balmy breezed...

Thanks: I had to google that one (well, duckduckgo to be truthful).

A cute little thing that oozes charm.

https://www.spinsheet.com/images/typhoon_0.jpg

 

[BurnitBlue]

International folkboat in 55 knt gusts
Sorry i could not attach the link. Google Ifboat perfect breeze

I find it impossile to atach a link using a tablets touch screen. I can do it in a PC though. I am on my boat at present.

 

[NealB]

[QUOTE="BurnitBlue, post: 7314184, member
International folkboat in 55 knt gusts
Sorry i could not attach the link. Google Ifboat perfect breeze

[/QUOTE]

This one?

 

[Buck Turgidson]

Twister in 8 gusting 9

 

[TernVI]

[QUOTE="BurnitBlue, post: 7314184, member
International folkboat in 55 knt gusts
Sorry i could not attach the link. Google Ifboat perfect breeze

This one?

[/QUOTE]
We've had more whitecap waves on our driveway this week!

 

[BurnitBlue]

That is the

[QUOTE="BurnitBlue, post: 7314184, member
International folkboat in 55 knt gusts
Sorry i could not attach the link. Google Ifboat perfect breeze

This one?

[/QUOTE]
Thanks Neal. That is the video I was trying to post the link. You are a genius. I have owned my If boat for 20 years. I sometimes put her in mothballs when I temporarily buy a larger boat for a year or two. I took her out of mothball this year for another "back to reality" session. She is perfect although a bit small at 25 feet. There are a lot of other videos on youtube that show why more folkboats are still made and spawned a lot of copies than any other boat on this planet. Incedentally, an IF boat can carry full sale in a force 7.

 

[adwuk]

How about one of these? Certainly ticks the heroic voyages box.

 

[ProDave]

Since we are talking now of smaller boats, I must mention the Leisure 17. Been out in ours in a 6 gusting 7. It was not confortable but it survived. and one has crossed the Atlantic., again I would not recommend buying one for that passage.

the OP still has not said if he is just looking for a capable day sailor, or something with good live aboard accommodation, and for how many people.

 

[NealB]

[/QUOTE]
Thanks Neal. You are a genius.
[/QUOTE]

I just might have to print those two sentences.

Not something I've been accused of too often!

 

[NealB]

How about one of these? Certainly ticks the heroic voyages box.

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