BurnitBlue
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Yes the Vertue. Didn't that boat have a connection to Hiscocks famous Wanderer lll?
Small twenty foot ish all weather sailing boats any names?
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KINGFISHER 8
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Same designer, Jack Laurent Giles. A larger version really. Wanderer III was the first of the (slightly altered) Wanderer Class which followed. Higher topsides and longer coach roof. A Vertue, called Vertue XXXV crossed the Atlantic in about 1950 with Humphrey Barton. Cosy to say the least but absolutely classic and a fantastic sea boat for a 25 footer.
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Buck Turgidson
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Having sailed from the Algarve to the Azores on a Vertue I can attest to her seaworthiness . Standing headroom too. But not fast.
Buck Turgidson
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downwind in 25kts in a 28 footer
Would like to see some video of an IF boat in a similar sea state.
Would like to see some video of an IF boat in a similar sea state.
BurnitBlue
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Let's not forget that jester was a folkboat. Made something like 17 Atlantic crossings with M Richey. Plus a few under Hasler. I am sure they encountered worse at some point. However having owned an Ifboat for 20 years I can confirm it is not comfortable. I always considered that a skipper wears an Ifboat or folkboat like a wetsuit. Non of your pansy swanning down the trade winds having cold drinks handed to you by a bikini clad vision. Closed cup with a straw. But what an adventure. Lin and Larry Pardy described the Ifboat as the most beautiful boat ever designed. Honest.
OK there are other boats of a similar size that have marginal benifits but why bother looking when perfection can be yours for only a small amount of cash and virtually no effort or agony of indecision. Just one look and it will eat your heart out until you own one. Btw many ifboats have made long ocean passages. I could go on but would risk a accusation of bias.
NealB
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You seem to be madly, intensely, insanely, biased.
It is rather wonderful to behold.
doug748
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I did not know that, thanks for posting.
I've said it many times myself but, I must admit, it does not have the same resonance. The IF boat is a thing of great beauty, I've looked at them, at sea and in slings 30 foot in the air and never seen a dodgy aspect. To boot - one of the few boats where a couple of 8ft crew could both have a comfortable sleeping berth.
No mention is complete without the old favourite :
Because it reminds us of what it was like to be young and not give a stuff. ☺
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LittleSister
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Then, of course, there's the mighty plywood Caprice: a proven world girdler!
JumbleDuck
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I was quite smitten until I visited one at a boat show and saw what passes for accommodation. Swing a cat? You couldn't even get a cat in without a shoehorn and a supply of cat grease.
doug748
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You are doubtless confusing the IF boat with the Nordic Folkboat a common error.
I can confirm that the International Folkboat has full Palais Glide accommodation below decks.
Zagato
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Zagato
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Video of Interior... it is actually a 26 but the same as an IF, forward of the mast is a couple of inches taller that is all, I prefer the IF, pure sailor, better 58% displacement ratio and looks sooo much nicer. They famously race them in San Francisco Bay renown for rough sea states and high winds. They lean over quite quickly due to the tall mast but the sheer weight of the hull keeps her stiff from that point on. You cannot knock one flat apparently. Much has been written about them in the past, they have even outsold the original smaller Nordic Folkboat. Not many boats have been sold in such high numbers (4000) and still available to buy new 50 odd years on.
Have to say it is just the ideal boat for me, I absolutely love her to bits, feels like I have owned her for 30 years and yet I have not sailed her yet! (Probably because I had the replica Folksong 26). They are so strongly built, so well designed, gorgeous to look at, especially with the sought after orange hull. Light enough to put on a trailer and keep on the drive. A mate came over last night, we had a few beers (a lot of beers) I realised I had left the boat cover off and the hatch was open... I slept on board not wanting to risk the ladder twice... i fell asleep listening to an owl and woke up with the sun on my face and the jarring noise of a crow.
Have to say it is just the ideal boat for me, I absolutely love her to bits, feels like I have owned her for 30 years and yet I have not sailed her yet! (Probably because I had the replica Folksong 26). They are so strongly built, so well designed, gorgeous to look at, especially with the sought after orange hull. Light enough to put on a trailer and keep on the drive. A mate came over last night, we had a few beers (a lot of beers) I realised I had left the boat cover off and the hatch was open... I slept on board not wanting to risk the ladder twice... i fell asleep listening to an owl and woke up with the sun on my face and the jarring noise of a crow.
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Carib
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I was moored near one recently and can confirm they are indeed gorgeous to look at (very similar lines to my Rustler..) As for space, I vaguely remember an amusing comment in a boat review (not for this boat) that, yes, you might have to sit down to take your trousers on or off; but how many times a day do you really need to do that, unless you lead a particularly active social life...?!
Of course, no doubt someone will be along in a moment to forensically explain why your rather lovely boat is in fact utter rubbish
Zagato
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I was moored near one recently and can confirm they are indeed gorgeous to look at (very similar lines to my Rustler..) As for space, I vaguely remember an amusing comment in a boat review (not for this boat) that, yes, you might have to sit down to take your trousers on or off; but how many times a day do you really need to do that, unless you lead a particularly active social life...?!
Of course, no doubt someone will be along in a moment to forensically explain why your rather lovely boat is in fact utter rubbish
Lol!
I had a Cornish Crabber which was 3" short of standing headroom which drove me nuts and gave me neck ache. I much preferred the sitting only space having had Drascombes. The advantages of having a lower coach roof are becoming apparent each day. For example having taken the boat cover off you can sit quite comfortably and actually see directly out of the windows. This will be great with only a 2-3' freeboard. This I also prefer, no boat hooks required, easy to get on and off boat for arthritic wife, less to polish, closer to the action etc.[/QUOTE]
Buck Turgidson
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I do not doubt the looks of an IF. I viewed 3 before deciding to buy my Twister. I still have a small longing for one. However, videos of them sailing in flat water at 60° heel angle says nothing about their seaworthiness. And yes I know all about Jester and the reputation of flokboats in general. But Id rather be offshore in a Vertue if I went down a size.
Oh and the price asked in the UK for IF's is hilarious. You can pick up a mint one in Sweden for £1200 and given how seaworthy they are sail it home.
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Oh and the price asked in the UK for IF's is hilarious. You can pick up a mint one in Sweden for £1200 and given how seaworthy they are sail it home.
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NealB
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Hmmmmm ....... now that does sound like an interesting little adventure!
Only problem is that, for me, their lovely sleek looks are spoiled by the outboard hanging off the transom.
Presumably some have a nice little Yanmar or Beta or ????
Oh ..... and I wonder how that plan might be affected by Brexit .... hmmmm ..... I feel some research coming on!
Buck Turgidson
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They do come with inboards, correctly annotated as IF-E.
If you search the site linked you will find probably a dozen at any time most with outboards but some with inboards.
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There is also an electric IF on the market refitted by Jeremy Rodgers i think. £££££££ Complete waste of money.
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NealB
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And 'JD', renowned for his powers of logical deduction, has a Hunter 490!!!
(Sorry, unusually, I feel the need to add
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JumbleDuck
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Thanks. Which is the culturally pure one?
JumbleDuck
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I did think of mentioning that. Yes, the Hunter 490 is .... snug ... but hey, it's the same size as a Wayfarer, give or take. The Folkboat doesn't have that excuse.