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doug748

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Have you had DZR valves or fittings corrode? In my experience, they do not corrode. One of mine is now 25 years old and still good. (and it has never been bonded!)

My experience as well, not bonded. I think the choice is between DZR and plastic.

There is no place for brass plumbing fittings on boats unless you want to save a bit of money. You must not mind inspecting them regularly, worrying about them, replacing them every 5 years and warning any prospective buyer what you have done.

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My experience as well, not bonded. I think the choice is between DZR and plastic.

There is no place for brass plumbing fittings on boats unless you want to save a bit of money. You must not mind inspecting them regularly, worrying about them, replacing them every 5 years and warning any prospective buyer what you have done.

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That is extreme. While fully corrosion resistant fittings are preferred there are tens of thousands of boats in service with them and are not sinking as a consequence. There is no need to change them every 5 years - that time frame is only the minimum - and it was a figure plucked out of thin air as the drafters thought they should set a minimum. The introduction of the standard did not change anything as builders were confident that their existing practice met the standard. There is no empirical evidence to support the need for changing at 5 years - indeed no evidence of what the life span would be. The only knowns are that in this application brass fittings can dezincify and extensive dezincification reduces the strength of the fittings. This can in extreme cases result in failure if the components are put under abnormal stress, for example by a heavy sideways blow.
 

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Having started this thread looked at the TruDesign in the marina's (Titchmarsh, NE Essex) chandlery today - have to say very impressed and will go for this for three out of four to be replaced, the fourth dependant on height.
 

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What are Nigel Calders professional qualifications ? Engineer, electrician, or what ?

Isn't he primarily a journalist ?

He is clearly knowledgable, but that knowledge is not based on experience and he's known to be wrong on a number of subjects, bonding sea cocks is one of them.

See post #36
Now there's a shaking of the hornet's nest. I've no idea. Will be interesting to know.
 

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Having started this thread looked at the TruDesign in the marina's (Titchmarsh, NE Essex) chandlery today - have to say very impressed and will go for this for three out of four to be replaced, the fourth dependant on height.
Apologies ianc. We took the thread off into la la land. Back on topic, I have replaced one seacock with a Tru Design in my aft heads and other than being a bit on the chunky side, is a really good seacock. The valve works smoothly I replaced the matching skin fitting too and though it was my first go at replacing, it worked with no leaks and no hassles. Leaving all the corrosion chat to one side, I think if you have space for their chunkiness they're a great road to go down.
 

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As an alternative to the Truedesign seacocks there is a range branded Forespar, which are also made from Marelon plastic. I used a couple to replace cockpit drain valves and skin fittings of stainless. One of the stainless ball valves had split through the body due to crevice corrosion. The Forespar ones have been fine for over 10 years.
 

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I fitted one of the Forspar ones from ASAP earlier this year. They come complete with a new through hull, will be replacing the other one next time we're out of the water.
 

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What are Nigel Calders professional qualifications ? Engineer, electrician, or what ?

Isn't he primarily a journalist ?

He is clearly knowledgable, but that knowledge is not based on experience and he's known to be wrong on a number of subjects, bonding sea cocks is one of them.

See post #36
His own mini-bio on 'BoatHowTo.com' is somewhat coy on the subject:

"He has a BA in Philosophy from Exeter University (UK) and an MSc in Operations Research from Sussex University. In a varied career, before becoming a full-time sailing writer, with a focus on marine technical systems, he worked on automotive assembly lines, in foundries and machine shops, and on offshore oil production platforms."
 

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His own mini-bio on 'BoatHowTo.com' is somewhat coy on the subject:

"He has a BA in Philosophy from Exeter University (UK) and an MSc in Operations Research from Sussex University. In a varied career, before becoming a full-time sailing writer, with a focus on marine technical systems, he worked on automotive assembly lines, in foundries and machine shops, and on offshore oil production platforms."
Thanks Dom.
 
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